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two black with your host Jimmy church on

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the game-changer Radio Network and K GRA

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you're listening to fade to black with

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good evening fade to black

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the spoke radio for the messes yeah how

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you doing it's Thursday nights February

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first

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by the way 32 D I hit 32 days into the

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new year just 333 days left we are live

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from a bunker somewhere in downtown

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Burbank California now I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network and k gra the

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planet i'm your host jimmy church what

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is cracking everybody how you doing

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are you ready it's Thursday it is fader

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night and the no more fake newsroom was

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Jon Rappoport followed by open lines the

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Colin numbers are 3 to 3 18 5 5 0 for 5

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or 3 2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5 Serena right

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Taylor is going to be here in a few

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minutes from the conscious life Expo

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tell us about some of the special events

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and tickets in that all of that stuff so

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we're going to do that in just a minute

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before that follow on Twitter right now

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at Jay Church radio at Jane Church radio

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come on follow me I'm a big big social

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media person okay well I've got a lot of

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stuff going on you know fade to black

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and Rita and our lives and busy busy

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busy and I still do the the social media

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thing you know I'm wondering I mean will

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it ever get to the point where you know

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I back off of Twitter or Facebook now I

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haven't done Instagram you know we have

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an Instagram account that's that's

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Rita's thing so I don't do I gee that

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would be pushing things a little bit too

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far Google+ me we you know all the other

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the time you know I don't do reddit I

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just don't do I don't even read I don't

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the time but when you know Facebook has

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been a part of this show for so long

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that I and and the relationships that

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are built that I don't want to let that

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go same thing with Twitter

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you know so come and hang out with us

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everything that we do with this show is

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right there the conversations are always

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vibrant so just come on over hang out

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and communicate okay all right Twitter's

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my facebook personal page that's that's

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been it's been jammed up for a long time

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start a second Facebook page that's

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getting a bit much ain't gonna go there

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but nonetheless come and hang out with

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us okay the sandbox is hashtag you have

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to be on Twitter now what we do hashtag

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tweet deck go and find tweet deck that's

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go find TweetDeck come back to us use

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hashtag have to be fate or nots I just

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got TweetDeck help me out here that's

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all you got to do okay and we will come

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to your rescue and then you can get

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TweetDeck all set up because it runs

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automatically everybody the thing is

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notifications got to do this you got a

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search for a hashtag you've got to click

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on all tweets or new tweets or new you

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you get a column with you your Twitter

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account somebody else's Twitter account

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maybe another hashtag well whoever you

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and plug those in and then it clicks

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automatically boom boo-boom boo-boom

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something gets posted clicks I'm

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watching it right now click click click

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click click Holly Marie says me so she's

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going to the conscious life Expo who is

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going to the conscious life Expo kicks

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off next week it's our next thing next

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Friday who was going to the conscious

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life Expo I saw about 5 or 6 Me's there

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there should Morgaine says you don't

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have TweetDeck yet go and get TweetDeck

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oh your life will change get tweet tech

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ok you can also email throughout the

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show Jimmy add Jimmy Church radio calm

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let me get - we're gonna have a Sarina

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right Taylor here in a minute so I want

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to get a couple of things out of the way

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I know that I said that I wouldn't

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mention anything about this for a couple

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of years or a year or whatever but no

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this is a really big news Bitcoin

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crashed today again and it really really

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crashed the price dropped to the lowest

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level since November last year and its

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peak in December

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to 8563 dollars the down that's where it

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kind of clawed its way back a couple

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hundred dollars and and now it's going

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back down again

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but the downward move follows a month

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for Bitcoin when its market

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capitalization has tumbled from a high

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of 296 billion dollars on January 5th to

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142 billion dollars today a 156 billion

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dollar wait for it a 55% loss think

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about that 156 billion dollars the indie

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in the country of India the Indian

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Finance Ministry today announced it is

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making it has made Bitcoin illegal they

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are banning Bitcoin in India Wow Wow

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unbelievable I have no idea where this

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is gonna be tomorrow all right a couple

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of things really quick new manna and

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their new promo for the fader knots

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which is the Jimmy 10 promo ji M my 10

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was extended through February 15th and

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that means you'll get 10% off of your

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order you're gonna get free shipping and

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an autograph fade to black t-shirt on

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any order over $100 the response has

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been phenomenal

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we have shipped so many t-shirts okay so

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new manna and they don't do deals with

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anybody are doing this just for the fate

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so Jimmy 10 gets you that promotion it's

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a win-win-win okay you get to take care

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of your family emergency food you get

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the fade to black t-shirt you get free

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shipping you get 10% off you get

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something that's made in America GMO and

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an MSG free it tastes great and you have

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peace of mind okay

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so there you go Jimmy 10 click on the

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banner over at Jimmy Church radio

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now as I said next Friday kicks off the

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conscious life Expo and it's February

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9th through the 12th 2018 at the LAX

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Hilton tickets and info are over a

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two-week search radio.com all you have

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to do is click on the conscious life

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Expo banner it's right there and all of

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the events and the scheduling are posted

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and I would like to welcome back to fade

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to black from the conscious life Expo

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Serena right Taylor Serena good evening

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hello I'm doing how are you I'm doing

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good I said I started to answer the

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question I'm doing great because you and

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I had that synchronicity we do what we

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do constantly with each other but I know

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you're great you're always bubbly and

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happy and things are always good in your

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can you believe it a year has gone by I

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know one week from today you're working

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what what day do you start working out

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there that what do you what day do you

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guys start putting the show together

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oh really officially six months before

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so we're thinking about it you know July

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about it and even that's not in six

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really because when I meant different

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conferences or talking to you or

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listening to your you know interviews

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that you do I'm thinking about how they

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would be good for the expo so well we do

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the same thing we walk around the expo

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we're going okay let's get them for the

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absolutely do you guys start setting up

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what Wednesday Thursday what yeah well a

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setting up and then you know Friday

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run I just cannot believe it is here

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let's get a couple of things out of the

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way I want to talk about some events and

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why are there advance ticket prices and

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are they still available oh yes it's

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really a good idea to get the advance

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tickets online because you're saying and

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people can come even if you just get for

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instance Friday it's $20 to get in and

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there's so much to see even without

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doing anything extra we wouldn't even

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cover it all yeah and so then it would

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be 35 for Saturday or 30 for Sunday yeah

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and there's so much free stuff going on

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but then if you pay a little bit more

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there's all kinds of you know the

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special events as the workshops there's

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so many much more and you can get a

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silver parts for a three-day general

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admission that's that cost less online

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you can get to 80 in advance it's 90 at

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the door so it's a big difference and

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then this year there's special

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all-access passes which you can get if

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you go to the website conscious live

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Expo calm and it's new this year so you

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get the front rows and that's you know

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seating at all the events for this

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all-access pass and you can get it

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beside a Sunday so it's that's really

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worth it too there's all kinds of ways

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and of course you can stay at the hotel

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- if someone wants they can stay at the

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hotel and just wake up and go back in

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now what what if you get there and

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somebody's sitting in the front row seat

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can you kick them out playing it's the

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conscious life Expo we don't do that

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stuff there - by being awakened but but

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you could sit on somebody's lap yeah

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that's cool I'm digging that okay so now

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a couple of things I'll let you go

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through what are the what are the

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highlight events oh there's so many um

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well I would I would like to talk about

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my panel because I love my panel if the

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UFO panel on it I might as well start

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with that and go backwards because

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that's on Sunday but the thing that

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we're talking about is consciousness

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related to UFO check

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ecology and that's something I love to

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talk about because it's so important to

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understand that those advanced UFOs that

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we see those advanced spaceships they're

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vastly different from our technology we

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can't compare it and and the thing is

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some of them are actually alive and

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we've talked about that before and some

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experiences I had when I was a child and

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how I saw you know in space as beings

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that live and they were traveling even

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when I was little just like a pond

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there's life in it so a space has life

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in it so when I when I first met David

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Adair who was on our panel rocket

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scientists I went I met him back in the

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90s early 90s and he was talking about

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the engine that he saw at area 51 that

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was alive that was symbiotic and that

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made so much sense to me because I had

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had that experience and also I'd learnt

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about you know in the ancient Vedic

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script I mean the Vedas there's many

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different kinds of accounts of

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spacecraft that are made in space and

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that are that communicate their

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conscious they're not they're not made

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of you know mundane material so to speak

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and then also he said when he saw that

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spaceship engine that UFO engine that it

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must have been made in space he

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understood when he looked at that the

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technology could not have been made in

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gravity so that's another thing that I

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read about you know in the scriptures

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and Vedic texts that the that they are

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manifest are created in space by great

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architects great ancient architects so

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all that comes together the ancient

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alien carnation and everything with what

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we're seeing what people are

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experiencing as consciousness and

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technology and ufos being connected and

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that's how we can understand them more

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of course Paulo Harris is on our panel

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and she's speaking at the expo too and

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her whole UFO conference is about

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consciousness and Technology and

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consciousness and UFOs and then we have

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an actual contract II Rick Ricardo

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Gonzalez on our panel we have Steven

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Bassett Jason quit Jaime Masson and post

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Linda Moulton Howe so we were it's going

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to be so exciting

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everyone is also giving presentations

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during the whole weekend as well and

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okay a couple of feather let's go

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backwards I gonna go backwards when they

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start a Friday and go back forwards you

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can go anywhere you want okay that's

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fine that's fine

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okay let's i've already announced you

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know the ancient aliens panel that i'll

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be hosting that's Friday night that'll

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be kicking off things and then Saturday

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night what or Saturday day what are the

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highlights there oh there's so much so

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George Noory does his to events on

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Saturday of course and so he'll have his

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big forum which is a more than a panel

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it's a lot of speakers including some of

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our favorites you know David Wilcock of

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course half nassim haramein was there

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let's see who else on the panel and

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trying to I'm just trying to look for

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the page because I got clipped with so

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many people on his panel but um he's

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told he's doing cosmic questions which

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is really interesting and our producer

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has got some of those together and I put

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some of those in a big box already so

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they're going to be very deep questions

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oh yes I've got it now David Adair is

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going to be on that as well and I and

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your friend and mine Jason quick is

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going to be on that panel as well yeah

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that's a good panel that's a good

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channel yeah looking forward to that and

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then George does his speaker reception

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and award ceremony yeah and what

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ceremony in the afternoon and of course

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you know David and Corinne are going to

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be doing presentations while David at

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least they will caucus code present

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presentation each day is something he's

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doing each day so all of favorable Hawks

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fans can come every each of the days and

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you'll see on it yeah yeah be

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introducing David and Corey at each of

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those events and so they're making sure

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that that I stay busy which is which is

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really really cool and then the tell us

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about that party

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that is happening Saturday night that

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party is free

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by the way with admission and you know I

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producer he really wanted it to be

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summer of love you know and remembering

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the Summer of Love having the music

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having experience and so we're all going

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to hear music some live music to Beatles

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or Beatles and Robert Parral is going to

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be singing a lot of Beatles songs and

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there's a DJ as well there's videos from

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those times and it's the feeling again

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of you know laugh and peace that we had

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at that time that we thought was going

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where is that party going to be at um oh

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that's in La Jolla that's in the law oh

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really yeah and the big in the big room

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yet yeah that's gonna be extraordinary

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yeah and and I know you're going to be

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there doing some of the announcements as

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well look

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and then yeah that's why I came to

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California in the first place because of

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the love and peace I I was fourteen I

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didn't come when I was forty you didn't

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come here till I was 18 but I really

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want to go there and just wear flowers

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and so I did eventually come who's doing

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the keynote on Friday night on Friday

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night because when you've got the panel

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but after the panel we didn't want to

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put any big key notes except Carolyn

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missus doing it um is doing uh you know

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she's a very famous teacher and a healer

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um so she is doing a Friday night

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special event but also right after

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ancient alien panel Stephen gossips

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going to do a disclosure event so we

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want everyone to be prepared to stay up

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a bit late and stay and he's going to do

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a 90 minute presentation and you know

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it's really important now some things

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might be changing since that DoD footage

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came out of the UFOs and the Jets so um

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we got him in there right after you got

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your panel ancient alien panel in the

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same place in the plaza so for you

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but I want to understand here so Friday

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night the ancient aliens panel that's

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that's gonna be the that's the main

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event going on at that time at conscious

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life Expo yes well in that in that

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respect to to those kinds of things but

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there's other speakers on healing and

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other kinds of you know transformational

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things as well there's always about four

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or five speakers at any time at the Expo

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we try to get things that are related

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you know at separate times do you know

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how packed that panel is going to be on

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Friday night how many I was just

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thinking about that I was imagining

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because every year that I host the panel

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normally we do it

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after the fete or not party to I'm gonna

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remind you of that

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so but anyway where there's another 30

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speakers that are speaking at the same

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time but this time around it's Friday

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night primetime in the plaza ballroom

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why it's gonna be packed it's gonna be

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crazy it's going to be so much fun

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now how many how many people attend the

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conscious life Expo each year I don't

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count them myself between 12,000 and

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15,000 and of course they're coming over

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the whole weekend you know that's not

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necessarily that they're all there at

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once because you've got those three days

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and then you've got post con on Monday

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but some people come for one day 9 12

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and 15 thousand yeah do you know that's

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that is an insane number but if it feels

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like it because if first off the LAX

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Hilton is ginormous this is not I mean

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all you know it's a big hotel well this

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this is a ginormous hotel it's it's hits

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huge but when you walk through there and

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you start to see what's really going on

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you can tell that there are literally

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thousands and thousands of people there

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for this event all with with open hearts

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and minds yes yes like big family really

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big family and you say you know what you

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know what I like to do I want I want to

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hear you laugh I love I love it when I

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like to people watch right it's my

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favorite thing why and if you really I

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mean the beautiful thing about Southern

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California and and this event is you

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will get your handful of really fun

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people to look at it's so awesome

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because no doubt no doubt because your

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your ego was checked at the door and

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that's what's most important your egos

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checked at the door it's just all about

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having a good time so anyway what I was

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gonna say was so you have this enormous

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amount of people and then you you don't

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realize it until you walk around like

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and you walk into the vendor room and

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you turn the corner and there's two

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three thousand people in there oh holy

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crap I thought that I thought that was

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everybody outside then you see that then

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you go across the hall to the food area

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right and there's another thousand

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people then you walk upstairs and you

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start to venture around with the the

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lecture halls and you see a line of a

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thousand people waiting to go in to see

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somebody speak and you're like where are

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all the it's this and then and that's

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not even the end of it then you go

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downstairs to that vendor area into the

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Plaza ballroom and there's another few

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thousand people down there it is an

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enormous event a huge undertaking oh

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yeah that's why we work on it all year

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but we love it and it's great that you

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can be part of it fantastic and you're

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going to have a great spot up on the

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mezzanine

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when you're not busy doing something

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else yeah the coffee as well yeah

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right we're there with River moon coffee

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everybody right at the top of the stairs

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when you check in we'll be right there

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in the mezzanine area but also we have

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new Pharma is going to be there one of

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our sponsors chip Paul and Lonnie

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McMullen is going to be there from life

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change T and and their booths are right

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next to each other we arranged that so

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we could you know it's really cool fade

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to black has got footprints all over and

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we are partners in this with you and we

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just really enjoy this conference it's

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it's one of the great events all year

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long and and we're very excited about I

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cannot believe I'm serious I cannot

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believe we're just a week away it's like

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we go to bed tonight and we wake up and

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and go to the show it's going to be so

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much fun now is a Doug is Doug going to

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be set up too as well with his artwork

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yes he is it's going to be also on the

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mezzanine where he usually it's not far

541
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from where you are right so he'll have

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his art and he just did something new

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with gobekli tepe

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and a UFO and I think I sent it to you

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on messenger but you might not have seen

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it

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and superimposing UFO and light and oh

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it's really interesting and he and he's

549
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going to bring it to the Expo but it's

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also for the you know the other

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conference the the alien conference a

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lien Colin naturally as well right the

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question is am I in that painting oh you

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have to be in that yeah

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I gotta I gotta talk to Doug so now and

556
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and plenty of food and and all of that

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is is a go go

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are there still rooms available at the

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Hilton oh I think that were we had to

560
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open out some more rooms with our

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producer he was telling me that he had

562
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to go and get some more because they all

563
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sold right so I think he did okay

564
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I cannot wait it's gonna be a

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sensational event a

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and again from Rita and I and everybody

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here at fade to black you know to the

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team there to tea and you and Diane and

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of course cue and the effort that to

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everybody the staff over there puts into

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this event it is a premier event and I

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cannot I cannot wait for next weekend

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thank you so much Sarina thank you and

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don't forget live stream every what

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everyone can watch on live stream all

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over the world that's right and the live

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stream options are right there at

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conscious life Expo somebody was just

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tweeting about that a few minutes ago

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okay thank you so much we'll see you in

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a week

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you got it yeah bye bye Serena right

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Taylor conscious life Expo it is just

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one week away

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it is a tremendous event and with that

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let's kick off a tour night I'll be

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right back with Jon Rappoport and his no

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more fake newsroom followed by open

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lines all night long 3 2 3 a 2 5 5 0 4 5

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hashtag F 2 B is the sandbox state to

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G are a the plan that I'll be right back

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body from intruders what do you mean by

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heavy metals and more there are food in

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right Chris are there side effects with

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Ronnie where can people purchase life

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[Music]

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy Church radio

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calm and now coming to you from the no

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more fake newsroom in deep space which

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is the space that we suspect to be true

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that the world as it is fed to us every

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day by the Ministry of Truth is a lie a

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false reality a movie on the screen of

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our subconscious this however is the

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breakout all the screens crashed they

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all go down and we see the light of day

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a new day

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no more robots no more androids it's the

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no more fake newsroom with Jon Rappoport

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take it away Jon Thank You Jenny good to

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be here as always folks so tonight I

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want to talk about media News reality

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new reality because as everybody knows

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and as I've talked about number of times

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00:33:17,610 --> 00:33:11,230
on the show independent media has been

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00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:17,620
on the rise in fact it's been on the

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00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:20,620
rise to such a degree that sometimes we

683
00:33:33,270 --> 00:33:26,620
lose track of the advance of many many

684
00:33:40,290 --> 00:33:33,280
many independent sources of news when I

685
00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:40,300
started out as a reporter in 1982 I

686
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:43,060
wrote an article for LA Weekly which was

687
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:47,100
a free newspaper still is in Los Angeles

688
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:52,540
it was bankrolled by a few people it

689
00:34:02,840 --> 00:33:57,240
became extremely popular in Los Angeles

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00:34:05,850 --> 00:34:02,850
in the early 80s and moving forward

691
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:05,860
there were a few reasons for that one

692
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:08,099
was it had a calendar of low

693
00:34:21,019 --> 00:34:12,359
events that was like no other everything

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00:34:24,619 --> 00:34:21,029
music theater film what-have-you very

695
00:34:29,539 --> 00:34:24,629
very extensive and the film reviews were

696
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:29,549
written by very sharp people and LA

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00:34:37,069 --> 00:34:34,700
Weekly helped to invigorate and in a way

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00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:37,079
revolutionized the film business because

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00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:40,379
they were giving a lot of space to new

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00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,220
filmmakers independent filmmakers who

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00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:46,679
would get their films shown in small

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00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:52,049
theaters in Los Angeles there was no

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00:35:00,849 --> 00:34:55,950
internet of course there were no cell

704
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:00,859
phones there was no social media

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00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:05,400
independent newspapers of which there

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00:35:12,469 --> 00:35:08,910
were very few and a few independent

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00:35:15,019 --> 00:35:12,479
magazines and that was basically it for

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00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:15,029
independent media certainly in the

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United States eventually I started

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00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:27,029
giving lectures in bookstores different

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venues around Los Angeles and this would

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take me up to the sort of early to mid

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1990s and there was a group called XI

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who remembers great name

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husband-and-wife team that would come to

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my lectures and lectures delivered by

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other people around Los Angeles and they

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would take them as they were happening

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00:36:02,829 --> 00:35:59,700
and they had about five or six taped

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copiers cassette copiers right there and

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00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:05,640
they would sell the cassettes after the

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lecture and these cassettes would get

723
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:14,789
out there they would travel people would

724
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make copies some would end up in Europe

725
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:21,540
Asia who knows it was a real underground

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00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:26,970
of independent information now of course

727
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:30,540
look at what we have it's quite

728
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:32,430
unbelievable when you really step back

729
00:36:41,530 --> 00:36:38,430
and look at it major media news is

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00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:41,540
panicking and has been for some time in

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00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:47,760
part because online is not giving them

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the income that they want so they can't

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really make a whole lot of money online

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00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:04,010
that's only part of the reason the other

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00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:06,630
reason is because people are waking up

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00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:08,550
to the fact and have been for some time

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00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:10,650
that there are many different viewpoints

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on what's happening in the world and in

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00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:19,680
fact what reality is how far it

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00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:24,050
potentially extends in all directions

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00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:27,060
that is not recognized by major media

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00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,030
and more and more people are interested

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00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:38,210
radio shows like this one other radio

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00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:43,020
shows YouTube videos when I first

745
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:44,010
started

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00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:49,680
no more fake news in 9th 2001 videos

747
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:54,800
were not happening online not really

748
00:38:04,850 --> 00:38:00,720
that's all changed bloggers there was

749
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the word blog didn't exist to any degree

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that I was aware of when I started no

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00:38:13,070 --> 00:38:10,290
more fake news the whole landscape is

752
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:13,080
completely changed and with it people's

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00:38:20,780 --> 00:38:17,430
view of reality so that we're talking

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00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:20,790
about a reality shift here not just

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00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:24,330
politically or economically but on every

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00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:30,150
level that you can imagine and I want to

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give you an example of it so I've gone

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to a web site I've got it up on my

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00:38:39,590 --> 00:38:35,340
screen

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it's called blacklisted news.com it's an

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aggregate independent aggregate news

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00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:47,190
site they post articles from all over

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00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:51,540
the place and I'm just gonna read some

764
00:38:58,580 --> 00:38:55,380
headlines and I if you can depending on

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00:39:03,430 --> 00:38:58,590
how old you are just think back to say

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00:39:07,610 --> 00:39:03,440
15 years ago and see whether you would

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00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:07,620
find headlines like this in the news

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00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:11,430
this is a fairly popular site it's not

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one of the two or three or four biggest

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00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:19,560
aggregate news sites but it's getting

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00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:22,980
there so listen I'm just gonna read the

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00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:24,870
headlines and in a few cases I'll read

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00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:29,640
you know paragraph California overreacts

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00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:32,700
and presumes every homeschooling parent

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is a child abuser I'm gonna read a

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00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:39,840
little bit of this California is seeking

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00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:41,640
to treat homeschool families as

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00:39:47,780 --> 00:39:45,900
presumptive child abusers law makers in

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00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:47,790
that state have indicated plans to

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categorically require homeschool parents

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to prove through home visits interviews

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00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:56,040
and other government oversight that

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indeed the parent is not abusive if they

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choose to exercise a legally protected

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and valid option for school choice

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00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:09,000
meaning home schooling this measure

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00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:11,700
would shift the burden to the parent to

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prove to the government satisfaction his

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or her parental fitness that's a big

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story headline Virginia appears poised

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to approve cannabis oil as a medical

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00:40:32,090 --> 00:40:29,400
treatment here's an article of my own

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00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:32,100
federal control of fluoridation would be

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prison labor is a billion dollar

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industry with uncertain reason returns

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for inmates CDC had forced to resign

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after she's caught buying shares in

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vaccine and big tobacco companies

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00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:56,310
immigrants sent a hundred forty billion

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from us back to home lands in 2016

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00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:06,540
cops raid licensed chefs home steal his

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00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:09,240
cooking equipment for feeding the

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00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:14,520
homeless Apple Verizon continued to

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lobby against the right to repair your

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00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:25,590
own devices in role reversal drug

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00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:28,470
dealers take the stand at criminal trial

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00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,040
of Baltimore police officers Amazon

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patents wristband that tracks warehouse

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00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:46,470
workers movements Clark County defies

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00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:49,770
order to release Vegas shooter coroner's

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report owner files one million dollar

812
00:42:06,320 --> 00:41:59,610
lawsuit after being forced to decapitate

813
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:06,330
dog apparently that force was applied by

814
00:42:13,220 --> 00:42:10,170
police now some of these stories would

815
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:13,230
appear this is just you know one day's

816
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,700
headlines here some of these stories

817
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:19,680
would appear in major media but some

818
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:24,150
definitely would not this does not sound

819
00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:29,220
like the news of 15 years ago major

820
00:42:38,779 --> 00:42:31,800
shifts are occurring and even major

821
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:44,819
so what does this mean when you're in

822
00:42:54,569 --> 00:42:47,920
the middle of a reality or paradigm

823
00:42:59,609 --> 00:42:54,579
shift quite often it's difficult to see

824
00:43:02,960 --> 00:42:59,619
it happening you sense that something is

825
00:43:06,569 --> 00:43:02,970
changing but you're not sure what it is

826
00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:06,579
well one of the major paradigm shifts in

827
00:43:16,289 --> 00:43:12,420
this world now is the nature of news and

828
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:16,299
how it's being discovered and how it's

829
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:19,930
being reported and who's reporting it

830
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:23,710
and yes there are many independent news

831
00:43:28,289 --> 00:43:26,530
sites that you might look at and say

832
00:43:29,970 --> 00:43:28,299
well not interested in that I think it's

833
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:29,980
all biased and prejudice from whatever

834
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:31,859
sure okay fine

835
00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:35,680
but then there are maybe a hundred

836
00:43:45,630 --> 00:43:39,630
thousand other independent news sites

837
00:43:48,049 --> 00:43:45,640
where that wouldn't be the case and more

838
00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:48,059
and more people are getting their news

839
00:43:55,260 --> 00:43:51,640
from independent media which means their

840
00:44:00,569 --> 00:43:55,270
view of reality is changed and is

841
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:00,579
continuing to change this is you know

842
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:04,710
major stuff here to become aware of

843
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:15,890
if reality is changing where is it going

844
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:19,920
to go what's going to happen

845
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:23,730
I remember that one of the things I used

846
00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:26,190
to lecture about in Los Angeles and

847
00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:30,270
other places back in the let's say I

848
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:35,660
don't know early 1990s was the

849
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:41,160
decentralization of power and I pointed

850
00:44:50,779 --> 00:44:46,170
out that even then there was beginning

851
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:50,789
to be a trend to decentralize power in

852
00:44:59,029 --> 00:44:54,960
the media in news but I had no possible

853
00:45:04,279 --> 00:44:59,039
clue that it was going to explode in the

854
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:04,289
way that it has decentralization of

855
00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:09,420
power changes reality you sitting there

856
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:15,900
listening to fade to black you are

857
00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:18,960
plugging into reality at a completely

858
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:26,190
different level the reports that you're

859
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:28,410
listening to the interviews that Jimmy

860
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:32,640
does the guests night after night after

861
00:45:44,349 --> 00:45:36,720
night attracting huge numbers of people

862
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:44,359
all over the planet this is not merely

863
00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:48,470
entertainment folks this is changing the

864
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:53,430
reality inside people's skulls that's

865
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:00,480
what's happening and we have to or

866
00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:05,490
should think about where is this going

867
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:06,260
to go

868
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:13,470
and my view on this for a very long time

869
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:17,119
now has been

870
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:23,359
that as power decentralizes and as more

871
00:46:34,329 --> 00:46:29,200
and more individuals form their own

872
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:34,339
fluid view of reality that we are

873
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:37,210
entering into a new phase in

874
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:41,089
civilization and society regardless of

875
00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:45,730
what else is happening in government in

876
00:46:59,769 --> 00:46:49,940
education in medicine wherever you want

877
00:47:07,950 --> 00:46:59,779
to look and that is that the individual

878
00:47:13,089 --> 00:47:07,960
is coming forth again as being a vital

879
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,099
factor in the world because we're seeing

880
00:47:22,809 --> 00:47:16,400
much less homogenized reality than we

881
00:47:28,660 --> 00:47:22,819
were before how far is this going to go

882
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:28,670
in say the next 50 years well I can tell

883
00:47:36,099 --> 00:47:31,970
you for sure that the planners the

884
00:47:39,339 --> 00:47:36,109
technocrats are looking at this

885
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:39,349
phenomenon and what are they trying to

886
00:47:48,779 --> 00:47:43,249
figure out they're trying to figure out

887
00:47:51,849 --> 00:47:48,789
how they can put the lid back on the pot

888
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:51,859
they're trying to figure out how they

889
00:48:01,749 --> 00:47:58,450
can somehow bring people back to a

890
00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:01,759
monolithic consensus about reality this

891
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:13,350
they're trying to build consensus that's

892
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:19,210
already crumbling consensus about what

893
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:26,290
is real and what is not real this is the

894
00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:33,270
shift that we're in the middle of now

895
00:48:43,410 --> 00:48:40,540
this is not an orderly change people

896
00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:43,420
have to get used to that this is not the

897
00:48:48,690 --> 00:48:46,660
kind of thing where people say well this

898
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:48,700
is what we can predict next year in two

899
00:48:55,830 --> 00:48:50,770
years from now and here's how it's going

900
00:49:00,300 --> 00:48:55,840
to play it no no no no no no no this is

901
00:49:07,610 --> 00:49:00,310
just the opposite of that it's going to

902
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:07,620
be a bumpy ride in a lot of ways and

903
00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:12,790
we're not looking up the road at one new

904
00:49:21,690 --> 00:49:17,470
reality that is going to be shared by

905
00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:21,700
everybody so the people who say yes

906
00:49:25,860 --> 00:49:23,590
we're going into a new reality a big

907
00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:25,870
paradigm shift and so we're all going to

908
00:49:33,060 --> 00:49:29,560
end up at X and what I'm saying is that

909
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,070
is not what is going to happen that's

910
00:49:40,650 --> 00:49:36,000
just the kind of replacement theory

911
00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:40,660
saying one form of brainwashing is going

912
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:43,300
to be replaced by another a better one

913
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,720
they want to say now that we've gotten

914
00:50:00,810 --> 00:49:57,520
rid of that horrid old reality let's all

915
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:00,820
join together in a new RIA and I'm

916
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:03,490
saying sure if you want to try that you

917
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:06,190
can but that's not the change that's

918
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:10,450
going on here that's not the root of

919
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:22,920
what's happening is you are making

920
00:50:33,069 --> 00:50:29,680
discovering inventing your reality and

921
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:33,079
you over there you're doing it for

922
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:37,940
yourself and many many many many people

923
00:50:48,849 --> 00:50:44,890
are doing that where does that leave us

924
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:48,859
or where will that leave us some people

925
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:50,510
say well that's a terrible thing because

926
00:50:56,410 --> 00:50:53,089
we'll all be sort of like atoms

927
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:56,420
separately floating in space will be

928
00:51:03,190 --> 00:50:58,010
isolated from each other

929
00:51:05,290 --> 00:51:03,200
buh buh buh buh buh buh buh really does

930
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:05,300
that guarantee that that's the way it'll

931
00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:10,569
we're looking at a new metaphysic here

932
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:13,460
that's emerging and what I'm suggesting

933
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:17,690
is that it's going to be so

934
00:51:28,270 --> 00:51:23,890
decentralized 10 20 30 40 years from now

935
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:28,280
that people are going to find new ways

936
00:51:34,059 --> 00:51:31,250
to reach across the space and gap

937
00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:34,069
between their reality and somebody

938
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:35,960
else's reality which could be quite

939
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:43,130
different quite different and that's

940
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:47,690
going to be extremely interesting how do

941
00:51:56,910 --> 00:51:51,680
you do that well there is no formula you

942
00:51:59,700 --> 00:51:56,920
do it however you can you figure it out

943
00:52:04,809 --> 00:51:59,710
that's going to become a very

944
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:04,819
interesting challenge let's call it how

945
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:11,160
because that's where we're heading and

946
00:52:18,780 --> 00:52:14,450
along the way yes they're going to be

947
00:52:22,380 --> 00:52:18,790
sort of group consciousness as forming

948
00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:22,390
you know because people are afraid to

949
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:26,150
decentralize too much so they're going

950
00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:27,890
to stop at a very friendly looking

951
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:30,380
restaurant in the psychic you know

952
00:52:34,450 --> 00:52:32,690
voyage and say oh there's a lot of

953
00:52:36,970 --> 00:52:34,460
people here and I like them so let me

954
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:36,980
settle in here because maybe this will

955
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:39,920
be where I'll make my new psychic home

956
00:52:44,050 --> 00:52:42,290
and they'll say for a while and then

957
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:44,060
they'll become dissatisfied with that

958
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:47,510
because it begins to resemble the old

959
00:52:55,390 --> 00:52:53,050
sort of mind control strategy of major

960
00:53:01,600 --> 00:52:55,400
reality makers and they'll drift away

961
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:01,610
from that but I don't think that it's

962
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:04,310
going to be all that isolating I think

963
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:08,950
it's going to be very exciting because

964
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:11,990
you're going to have many many many many

965
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:18,890
more people who have established their

966
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:27,260
own pictures their own sensations their

967
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:37,549
their own reality it's going to become

968
00:53:45,420 --> 00:53:41,710
imbued strengthened in many many many

969
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:45,430
individuals and then when they connect

970
00:53:51,059 --> 00:53:48,569
in the ways that they connect there

971
00:53:54,059 --> 00:53:51,069
there's that interesting challenge how

972
00:53:58,109 --> 00:53:54,069
do we reach across the gap and make a

973
00:54:05,219 --> 00:53:58,119
connection and when we do it's going to

974
00:54:09,299 --> 00:54:05,229
be more authentic than it was so rather

975
00:54:15,479 --> 00:54:09,309
than looking at the future as building

976
00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:15,489
towards some unity where everybody you

977
00:54:26,999 --> 00:54:19,660
know melts down into one fabulous cheese

978
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:27,009
glob I believe the real trend is in the

979
00:54:40,109 --> 00:54:32,089
do you centralized decentralized

980
00:54:47,610 --> 00:54:40,119
decentralize find your own reality dig

981
00:54:57,330 --> 00:54:52,830
find information that pertains to it if

982
00:55:00,050 --> 00:54:57,340
you don't like where you settle in make

983
00:55:06,330 --> 00:55:00,060
another change find a better reality

984
00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:06,340
your own in each case this is an

985
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:10,360
underlying undertow so to speak that's

986
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:14,290
happening the propagandists and the

987
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:16,690
planners and the technocrats are aware

988
00:55:23,370 --> 00:55:18,250
of it and they are trying everything

989
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:23,380
they can through social media through

990
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:28,570
whatever means many means to build a

991
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:31,890
fence around it and it's not working and

992
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:36,460
it's going to continue not to work we

993
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:42,130
are heading toward a reality of millions

994
00:55:52,170 --> 00:55:48,390
of different realities contemplate that

995
00:55:55,290 --> 00:55:52,180
that's my report for tonight know a

996
00:56:02,340 --> 00:55:55,300
little little scary no it's a lot scary

997
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:02,350
John but why why has this developed it

998
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:05,050
started you know a couple of decades ago

999
00:56:09,830 --> 00:56:06,940
and it started to fragment out and

1000
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:09,840
fragment out and fragmented today

1001
00:56:18,180 --> 00:56:14,170
clearly that is the agenda you know and

1002
00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:18,190
I have to ask why is it so they can

1003
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:20,140
divide and conquer dissension amongst

1004
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:23,890
the troops no I think that what at least

1005
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:26,940
what I'm talking about is this is

1006
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:32,050
happening at the root this is not just

1007
00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:34,330
you could say ok well there's a program

1008
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:36,670
to try to just sort of a demise

1009
00:56:39,930 --> 00:56:39,370
everybody and try separate them from

1010
00:56:43,110 --> 00:56:39,940
each other

1011
00:56:45,150 --> 00:56:43,120
sure ok but I think that the real

1012
00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:45,160
version of this is happening within

1013
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:48,550
individuals this is not a plan from

1014
00:56:56,820 --> 00:56:52,090
above this is where we're going and and

1015
00:57:00,510 --> 00:56:56,830
I this a couple of weeks ago that it

1016
00:57:02,940 --> 00:57:00,520
seems like everybody is ready to do this

1017
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:02,950
like it's part of our DNA nobody's

1018
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:07,150
fighting it yeah I think you're right

1019
00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:09,040
and I think that I think that when you

1020
00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:11,950
peel off enough layers of the onion this

1021
00:57:18,930 --> 00:57:14,590
is what people begin to realize that you

1022
00:57:23,310 --> 00:57:18,940
know hey this is why I'm here to develop

1023
00:57:26,070 --> 00:57:23,320
my own you know reality and not to just

1024
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:26,080
go along with the consensus right right

1025
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:30,400
and it's fascinating to me where it is

1026
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:33,010
it's been almost like I said it's been

1027
00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:36,970
building up for a long time but now with

1028
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:40,390
electronic media multimedia now it and

1029
00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:42,460
in the internet and social media that

1030
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:47,860
this very fundamental germ is inside of

1031
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:52,210
all of us and it is it is just visible

1032
00:57:58,380 --> 00:57:53,950
now you know what I mean it's just like

1033
00:58:01,260 --> 00:57:58,390
right in front of us I I believe that to

1034
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:01,270
be absolutely true I see that happening

1035
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:03,130
all the time and I think other people do

1036
00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:05,830
too you know and like I said it's not a

1037
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:09,460
it's a bumpy ride because you can get

1038
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:11,410
easily discouraged and say well gee I

1039
00:58:14,780 --> 00:58:13,390
don't like this and whatever but it's

1040
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:14,790
gonna go on anyway

1041
00:58:22,580 --> 00:58:19,810
you know I mean it then may not be as

1042
00:58:24,359 --> 00:58:22,590
comfortable as life seemed to be in the

1043
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:24,369
1950s right

1044
00:58:31,830 --> 00:58:27,480
when conformity was the name of the game

1045
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:31,840
but the dividends that pay off in the

1046
00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:35,770
long run are quite fantastic they are

1047
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:40,030
they are the the days of conformity

1048
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:43,380
think about it Leave It to Beaver right

1049
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:46,720
yeah okay Leave It to Beaver that was

1050
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:49,359
the atomic that the nuclear right that

1051
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:52,060
that was what was supposed to be going

1052
00:58:59,250 --> 00:58:54,690
on in every house in the United States

1053
00:59:01,740 --> 00:58:59,260
that and and those days those days are

1054
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:01,750
so far gone and so far removed and now

1055
00:59:08,190 --> 00:59:05,200
the the individual that that thing that

1056
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:08,200
fragmented thing is here and it's only

1057
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:11,400
going to it's only going to grow but

1058
00:59:18,829 --> 00:59:14,970
also if this divide-and-conquer thing is

1059
00:59:20,660 --> 00:59:18,839
going on with that I'm fascinated with

1060
00:59:23,809 --> 00:59:20,670
what is happening I'm just fascinated

1061
00:59:27,529 --> 00:59:23,819
with this meet you meet you it is

1062
00:59:28,249 --> 00:59:27,539
fascinating it's just a you know it's

1063
00:59:31,279 --> 00:59:28,259
incredible

1064
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:31,289
it truly is truly is by the way we did

1065
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:33,660
go and watch Network last week after

1066
00:59:40,759 --> 00:59:37,710
this young man oh man oh man

1067
00:59:42,859 --> 00:59:40,769
we may have to cover that again a you

1068
00:59:45,140 --> 00:59:42,869
and I on a future show just the two of

1069
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:45,150
us and let's break that thing down that

1070
00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:46,980
would be great we could do that scene by

1071
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:49,799
scene by scene my friend thank you so

1072
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,049
much John be safe out there you too

1073
00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:55,200
Jimmy thanks Jon Rappoport and again

1074
01:00:04,279 --> 00:59:59,940
start your day every day on his no more

1075
01:00:06,579 --> 01:00:04,289
fake news.com absolutely incredible Jon

1076
01:00:10,009 --> 01:00:06,589
Rappoport all right let's kick it off

1077
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:10,019
Thursday night it is Fator night open

1078
01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:12,900
lines all night long 3 2 3 a 2 5 5 0 for

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5 or 3 2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5 this is fade to

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[Music]

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this is fade to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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hi this is race Hobbs here repping the

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planet and you're listening to my good

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friend Jimmy Church fade to black

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on the game changer network and the kgr

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intended to diagnose treat cure or

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this is Micah Hanks of the gray lien

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report and you're listening to Jimmy

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church on fade to black across the globe

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on the GameChanger radio network and the

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one and only kgr a radio the planet

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black

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Thank You Jon Rappoport no more fake

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newsroom live unreal all right it's

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01:04:23,890 --> 01:04:21,080
Thursday night Spader night open lines

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all night long three two three a two

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five five zero four or five or three two

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three two seven five nine six nine five

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if you're on hold stay right there I'll

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01:04:36,790 --> 01:04:34,310
start to get the calls in a second but I

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01:04:39,130 --> 01:04:36,800
wanted to get to a few things that I

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always start off every show with and and

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that is this happy birthday to today

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01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:46,760
Michael C Hall of Dexter Six Feet Under

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is 46 years old and our dead guys

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birthday today is Rick James 1948 to

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01:05:01,420 --> 01:04:58,430
2004 died at the age of 56 his albums

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01:05:03,610 --> 01:05:01,430
come and come get it and street songs

1162
01:05:07,090 --> 01:05:03,620
influenced so many I can't tell you

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01:05:09,490 --> 01:05:07,100
street songs in my house back in

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01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:09,500
Indianapolis that I shared with Bruce

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01:05:13,390 --> 01:05:11,510
Pfeiffer and if he's listening tonight

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01:05:17,290 --> 01:05:13,400
he notes exactly what I'm talking about

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01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:17,300
we played that album back to back to

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back every night for a summer and and he

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also produced Teena Marie the Mary Jane

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girls temptations Eddie Murphy Smokey

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Robinson but he also went to prison for

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kidnapping never got over his drug use

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01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:35,360
and on the morning of August 6 2004 he

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was found dead in his apartment at the

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oakwoods in Burbank right down the

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street here and he had so many drugs in

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his bloodstream I can't even pronounce

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01:05:56,820 --> 01:05:51,640
these drugs he had alprazolam diazepam

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Burpo pre Burpo boop operon I don't know

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citalopram hydrocodone digoxin cor Afeni

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marine I don't even know methamphetamine

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and cocaine haul in his blood I'm not a

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doctor I can't pronounce those Latin

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01:06:18,370 --> 01:06:16,520
terms but nonetheless he influenced so

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many and he's up there right now

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happy birthday Rick James on this day in

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history oh TD the Space Shuttle yes Rita

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really the Space Shuttle OTD 2003 the

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space shuttle Columbia brakes up while

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entering the atmosphere over Texas

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killing all crew all seven crew members

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aboard and our Fader fact today instead

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of a foreign office the Roman Empire had

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a Bureau of barbarians and that is our

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favored fact that's that was their

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foreign office kind of reminds you of

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the United States today alright let's go

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to the phones hi you're live on fade to

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black who's calling hi Jimmy yes hey Bev

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how are you I'm doing good how are you

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I'm fantastic it's Thursday night it's

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fader night Bev yep what's on your mind

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01:07:20,890 --> 01:07:16,150
well I agree you know John you know the

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government needs to just lay off you

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know stay out of our lives raising kids

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yes yes yes they got enough control over

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01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:35,660
our lives why should they tell us how to

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raise our kids well hang on for a second

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is is that there's there's two aspects

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to that what is yours the second one

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though is I if I had a crystal ball Bev

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I would have our schools more involved

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with our kids lives and and we've lost

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we've lost track of that you know we've

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we've lost track because I used to be

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and I don't want to sound like I'm the

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old guy in the room here but I used to

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be scared of my teachers right I was I

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was scared of the school principal you

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didn't want to go to the principal's

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office you didn't want you know these

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01:08:27,420 --> 01:08:25,040
were things that were fundamental in our

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lives and it was part of

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growing up was the respect in school so

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in that aspect I I wish that we had more

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involvement in our children's lives

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because today the teachers got zero

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respect I mean in all most schools and I

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remember and I'm sure you do too that if

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you came back when we were in school we

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had corporal punishment that's right and

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if you've got that at school when you

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01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:02,960
got home you've got it again and and you

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01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:05,680
know when it came to corporal punishment

1235
01:09:14,740 --> 01:09:10,570
today there is such a stigma on that and

1236
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:14,750
but if I went home and and said to my

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dad or mom that I got whacked today by

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the teachers at school their response

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01:09:29,170 --> 01:09:25,450
would be well you probably asked for it

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01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:29,180
right my dad wasn't gonna go to the

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school the next day and kick down the

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front door and threatened a lawsuit

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01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:36,740
that's nope nope and and second and the

1244
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:39,410
other part is I probably wouldn't tell

1245
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:41,570
my parents that I got whacked

1246
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:44,570
is that that means I deserved it I did

1247
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:47,359
something in school and and and let's

1248
01:09:51,790 --> 01:09:49,250
just keep that between the school and me

1249
01:09:56,020 --> 01:09:51,800
and and not it omit this to my parents

1250
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:56,030
and that's really the truth art school

1251
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,120
well when we were in school I know I'm

1252
01:10:05,410 --> 01:10:02,000
older than you are but when we were in

1253
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:05,420
school if we got corporal punishment

1254
01:10:12,130 --> 01:10:07,690
then the school would call our parents

1255
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:12,140
and let them know and then oh boy yeah

1256
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:15,170
he's probably and we got home then we

1257
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:18,560
got in trouble a second time yeah and

1258
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:21,770
and again I see we are in such a

1259
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:25,850
politically correct world right now yeah

1260
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:28,010
that these words that I'm saying are

1261
01:10:33,790 --> 01:10:31,370
probably offensive to a younger

1262
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:33,800
generation out there or you know that I

1263
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:36,290
don't know what I'm talking about I do

1264
01:10:41,229 --> 01:10:38,449
know what I'm talking about

1265
01:10:44,169 --> 01:10:41,239
and I'm not some damaged individual I

1266
01:10:47,410 --> 01:10:44,179
wasn't a damaged kid when it happened

1267
01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:47,420
you know and that's that's it and you

1268
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:50,150
know in a weird way it was kind of fun

1269
01:10:56,620 --> 01:10:53,890
it was kind of cool all right you know

1270
01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:56,630
you walked into a classroom and a

1271
01:11:01,240 --> 01:10:58,610
teacher had their paddle up on the

1272
01:11:08,110 --> 01:11:01,250
chalkboard right they're looking at you

1273
01:11:09,310 --> 01:11:08,120
you know yeah hey hey Bev thank you so

1274
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:09,320
much for the phone call

1275
01:11:13,930 --> 01:11:11,510
be safe and be be well and give my best

1276
01:11:18,850 --> 01:11:13,940
to Bob okay sure we're not one to let

1277
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:18,860
you know yes I get my glasses I got my

1278
01:11:25,330 --> 01:11:20,570
glasses on

1279
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:25,340
oh man we lost Bev just like that Wow

1280
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:26,690
that was weird

1281
01:11:32,890 --> 01:11:28,370
hi you're live on fade to black who's

1282
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:32,900
calling reaming can you hear me yes cool

1283
01:11:38,890 --> 01:11:36,310
hey man this is Steve I'm in Oregon I

1284
01:11:41,490 --> 01:11:38,900
used to be I lived in Louisiana that's

1285
01:11:46,830 --> 01:11:41,500
where the accents from but uh hey man

1286
01:11:50,620 --> 01:11:46,840
I'm gonna have to skip out on the

1287
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,630
conscious life Expo this weekend oh man

1288
01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:51,760
too bad

1289
01:11:57,310 --> 01:11:54,620
but I've already got my early bird

1290
01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:57,320
tickets to contact in the desert that's

1291
01:12:03,070 --> 01:11:58,730
what I'm talkin about

1292
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:03,080
cool yeah and I'm just trying to like

1293
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:05,090
you know go ahead and plan out a little

1294
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:09,170
bit of ahead I was just curious do you

1295
01:12:13,390 --> 01:12:10,850
know like there's a lot of stuff going

1296
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:13,400
on at night is everybody camping out or

1297
01:12:21,250 --> 01:12:18,290
what's the deal I spoke to them about

1298
01:12:26,350 --> 01:12:21,260
that now there's go to the you been to

1299
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:26,360
the website see if there is camping

1300
01:12:31,930 --> 01:12:27,890
there we were talking about that over

1301
01:12:35,050 --> 01:12:31,940
the weekend and I can't remember Steve I

1302
01:12:37,780 --> 01:12:35,060
don't want to sound dumb right now but

1303
01:12:40,030 --> 01:12:37,790
I'm feeling dumb yeah we just talked

1304
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:40,040
about it and there was a conversation so

1305
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:43,730
I know that there is camping so there's

1306
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:45,170
got to be something on their website

1307
01:12:49,810 --> 01:12:46,910
about it is that what you want to do so

1308
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:49,820
many people do well yeah I'm you know

1309
01:12:55,420 --> 01:12:53,090
I'm thinking camping probably try to get

1310
01:12:59,530 --> 01:12:55,430
me some of those green balls between now

1311
01:13:01,170 --> 01:12:59,540
and then right and uh you know just

1312
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:01,180
hanging out and having fun at night

1313
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,490
because I'm not much of a sleeper when

1314
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:06,560
there's excitement going on and there

1315
01:13:13,930 --> 01:13:10,880
will be a lot of it for sure I mean the

1316
01:13:15,970 --> 01:13:13,940
resort is is really nice really cool I

1317
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:15,980
know that there's some camping right

1318
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:18,890
next door close by I don't know if they

1319
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:21,230
have it on-site like they did over in

1320
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:24,710
Joshua Tree but what's really cool about

1321
01:13:30,670 --> 01:13:28,130
that part of the desert

1322
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:30,680
is the night vision and what goes on

1323
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:33,050
there at night is extraordinary so you

1324
01:13:36,940 --> 01:13:34,490
could have a great time

1325
01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:36,950
and you know the fader knots will be

1326
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,470
grouping together and as we get closer

1327
01:13:42,970 --> 01:13:41,360
to contact in the desert there'll be a

1328
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:42,980
lot of conversation about it

1329
01:13:47,710 --> 01:13:45,530
so you'll know you'll know where the

1330
01:13:51,370 --> 01:13:47,720
events are happening and where everybody

1331
01:13:56,140 --> 01:13:51,380
is getting together so Jimmy let me uh

1332
01:13:59,020 --> 01:13:56,150
just say one thing about the disclosure

1333
01:14:02,260 --> 01:13:59,030
and what's been going on recently uh I

1334
01:14:07,890 --> 01:14:02,270
was a medic in the Army for six years

1335
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:07,900
and so throughout my life time in the

1336
01:14:14,410 --> 01:14:12,050
Army I got to play around with a lot of

1337
01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:14,420
cool toys right because everybody like

1338
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:16,670
to give Doc you know like the biggest

1339
01:14:22,780 --> 01:14:19,010
gun they could find with the coolest new

1340
01:14:25,180 --> 01:14:22,790
gas you know gadget or whatever and I

1341
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:25,190
can tell you that looking up at the

1342
01:14:33,420 --> 01:14:27,920
night sky with night-vision goggles on

1343
01:14:36,220 --> 01:14:33,430
is uh it's totally a game changer and

1344
01:14:40,780 --> 01:14:36,230
anybody that can actually get their

1345
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:40,790
hands on a tool like that is very luck

1346
01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:44,390
yeah it's we the company that we work

1347
01:14:51,220 --> 01:14:48,260
with bearing optics we have our night

1348
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:51,230
vision events every year we do it a few

1349
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:53,120
times a year different conferences

1350
01:14:59,290 --> 01:14:55,970
around the country and and the first

1351
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:59,300
time that I did it which was four years

1352
01:15:03,310 --> 01:15:01,760
ago I had heard about it and heard about

1353
01:15:06,190 --> 01:15:03,320
I've seen the videos and I had heard

1354
01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:06,200
about it but you don't understand that

1355
01:15:12,210 --> 01:15:09,260
what what goes on when you do the night

1356
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:12,220
vision is this and it's very simple you

1357
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:15,530
look up into the sky with your eyeballs

1358
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:18,290
like you've done every night for your

1359
01:15:22,690 --> 01:15:20,930
life right you're used to saying and

1360
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:22,700
then you throw you look through the

1361
01:15:28,450 --> 01:15:25,250
night vision and then you take a look

1362
01:15:30,490 --> 01:15:28,460
and you see things you pull the night

1363
01:15:32,410 --> 01:15:30,500
vision down and you look this is what

1364
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:32,420
everybody does the first time then you

1365
01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:33,890
pull the night vision down and you're

1366
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:35,300
looking you're like wait a minute and

1367
01:15:39,340 --> 01:15:37,130
then you go back to the night vision and

1368
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:39,350
you're like holy crap that's what's

1369
01:15:43,570 --> 01:15:40,970
going on up there right now

1370
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,580
and you hear everybody yelling and

1371
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:46,159
screaming and then you start to

1372
01:15:49,930 --> 01:15:48,170
look at what everybody else is looking

1373
01:15:51,939 --> 01:15:49,940
at and you are seeing that and then you

1374
01:15:56,620 --> 01:15:51,949
pull the night vision and it's not there

1375
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:56,630
it's crazy to go through and it is truly

1376
01:16:00,250 --> 01:15:57,530
a game changer

1377
01:16:01,020 --> 01:16:00,260
it's an epiphany it's a life-changing

1378
01:16:04,510 --> 01:16:01,030
event

1379
01:16:07,450 --> 01:16:04,520
I'm just curious though life if you and

1380
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:07,460
I can look up at the night sky just like

1381
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:09,409
a couplet that you know in the last

1382
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:11,449
couple of days with the super moon scene

1383
01:16:17,229 --> 01:16:13,850
the crazy you know like orb lighting up

1384
01:16:21,459 --> 01:16:17,239
the sky alright we can look at the sky

1385
01:16:24,939 --> 01:16:21,469
and see that there are you AP's UFOs

1386
01:16:28,090 --> 01:16:24,949
call it whatever you want but what are

1387
01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:28,100
we gonna what do you think even if they

1388
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:30,710
came out and said the White House like

1389
01:16:35,740 --> 01:16:33,530
laying on the lawn I get that but what

1390
01:16:40,419 --> 01:16:35,750
do you think our government is actually

1391
01:16:45,340 --> 01:16:40,429
gonna do for us by disclosing aliens or

1392
01:16:49,300 --> 01:16:45,350
whatever you want to call it well this

1393
01:16:52,570 --> 01:16:49,310
is there's about 50 ways to answer that

1394
01:16:56,050 --> 01:16:52,580
question but this is what I think this

1395
01:17:01,120 --> 01:16:56,060
is my personal take ok and my personal

1396
01:17:03,490 --> 01:17:01,130
take is if they are disclosing like they

1397
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:03,500
did you know this this thing that

1398
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:05,840
happened on December 16th if they are

1399
01:17:12,370 --> 01:17:08,960
disclosing then is it because they need

1400
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:12,380
to get out in front of something else

1401
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:15,530
that's about to break and ease the blow

1402
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:20,330
right ease the blow to us or is there

1403
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:23,360
something else going on that they cannot

1404
01:17:30,669 --> 01:17:26,690
control that and and Steven Greer

1405
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:30,679
brought that up yeah so you know what

1406
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:32,960
what what's the real reason I you know

1407
01:17:40,180 --> 01:17:37,730
what as things continue hold on for a

1408
01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:40,190
second Steve if things can play you okay

1409
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:43,790
if things continue like they are then

1410
01:17:47,890 --> 01:17:45,440
those questions are gonna get answered

1411
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:47,900
for us you know if they continue like

1412
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:49,850
they are we're gonna find out exactly

1413
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:55,489
what is going on and okay got it Rita

1414
01:18:00,879 --> 01:17:58,010
yes I'm up and running

1415
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:00,889
I'm sorry about that Steve our computers

1416
01:18:05,950 --> 01:18:03,289
one of our one of our computer systems

1417
01:18:09,069 --> 01:18:05,960
just crashed and is back online I'm

1418
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:09,079
letting Rita know I got one more

1419
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:14,050
question for you sure okay do you think

1420
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:21,610
that the rock stardom that some of the

1421
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:25,130
members of the community kind of you

1422
01:18:28,959 --> 01:18:26,409
know I mean we all got to have our

1423
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:28,969
matriarch sore patriarchs whatever you

1424
01:18:38,020 --> 01:18:32,570
want to call it but sometimes I feel

1425
01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:38,030
like their information is you know not

1426
01:18:43,359 --> 01:18:40,369
always bringing something new to the

1427
01:18:45,339 --> 01:18:43,369
table and before I go you know like

1428
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:45,349
spending a whole bunch of money on these

1429
01:18:52,299 --> 01:18:49,130
girls extra stuff for the conference's

1430
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:52,309
and stuff like that you know I Jimmy I'm

1431
01:18:59,080 --> 01:18:56,210
just curious as like some of my favorite

1432
01:19:02,049 --> 01:18:59,090
speakers you know like are some of the

1433
01:19:04,509 --> 01:19:02,059
more of lesser-known

1434
01:19:08,319 --> 01:19:04,519
members of the community and you know

1435
01:19:11,979 --> 01:19:08,329
like dr. Greer last night came on and I

1436
01:19:15,609 --> 01:19:11,989
mean he's I haven't seen a whole lot

1437
01:19:18,189 --> 01:19:15,619
from him lately and but last night I

1438
01:19:21,339 --> 01:19:18,199
didn't really hear anything new from it

1439
01:19:24,399 --> 01:19:21,349
well and yeah and and and Steve you

1440
01:19:26,020 --> 01:19:24,409
bring up a great point and and thank you

1441
01:19:28,839 --> 01:19:26,030
for the phone call by the way thank you

1442
01:19:31,180 --> 01:19:28,849
so much Steve I'm gonna say this one of

1443
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:31,190
the things that we try to do here at

1444
01:19:38,109 --> 01:19:34,730
fade to black constantly is we try to

1445
01:19:41,950 --> 01:19:38,119
have first-time guests and if you go

1446
01:19:43,899 --> 01:19:41,960
back and you look at our schedule and

1447
01:19:46,899 --> 01:19:43,909
you look at the guests that we have

1448
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:46,909
brought on over the last 4 going on 5

1449
01:19:52,330 --> 01:19:50,510
years of so many our first-time guests

1450
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:52,340
that's why I do the first-time guests

1451
01:19:59,770 --> 01:19:55,570
disclaimer to remind everybody of

1452
01:20:01,810 --> 01:19:59,780
somebody that is is new not only to fade

1453
01:20:05,250 --> 01:20:01,820
to black but hopefully to our audience

1454
01:20:08,979 --> 01:20:05,260
so we're always pushing for that also

1455
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:08,989
with conscious life Expo and contact in

1456
01:20:14,110 --> 01:20:11,210
the desert one of the things

1457
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:14,120
that they are doing and they talk to us

1458
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:15,410
about this all the time

1459
01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:21,170
okay who is new who is it who it you

1460
01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:25,490
know and and Rita and I are in constant

1461
01:20:32,620 --> 01:20:29,030
touch with these conferences to suggest

1462
01:20:36,130 --> 01:20:32,630
somebody new somebody that's got fresh

1463
01:20:39,610 --> 01:20:36,140
information coming forward and that is

1464
01:20:42,370 --> 01:20:39,620
is bright and is connected and is in

1465
01:20:44,620 --> 01:20:42,380
touch and I'm here to tell you wait till

1466
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:44,630
you see who we have on Monday show on

1467
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:45,410
fade to black

1468
01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:49,490
right first-time guests so we are

1469
01:20:54,820 --> 01:20:51,800
constantly pushing for that and so are

1470
01:20:55,690 --> 01:20:54,830
those conferences okay and and see and

1471
01:20:58,770 --> 01:20:55,700
the other thing is with those

1472
01:21:02,500 --> 01:20:58,780
conferences there are certain speakers

1473
01:21:04,450 --> 01:21:02,510
that people want to see they want to see

1474
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:04,460
Jorge Neri they want to see SU clothes

1475
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:06,050
they want to see Linda Moulton Howe and

1476
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:09,110
David Wilcock they want to see those you

1477
01:21:16,330 --> 01:21:13,730
know erich von daniken there are you

1478
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:16,340
know Richard Dolan these are very very

1479
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:20,000
important people and researchers to the

1480
01:21:26,890 --> 01:21:23,440
community and it's a festive atmosphere

1481
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:26,900
that that is going on and you need that

1482
01:21:30,670 --> 01:21:28,610
part of it too absolutely

1483
01:21:34,930 --> 01:21:30,680
hi you're live on fade to black who's

1484
01:21:37,810 --> 01:21:34,940
calling me this is Eric in Denver

1485
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:37,820
Colorado hey Eric in Denver Colorado how

1486
01:21:46,090 --> 01:21:42,800
are you well I'm doing pretty good I was

1487
01:21:50,710 --> 01:21:46,100
in the shower when that first lady was

1488
01:21:53,950 --> 01:21:50,720
on talking about the presentation at

1489
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:53,960
conscious life Expo concerning

1490
01:21:59,080 --> 01:21:56,510
consciousness in UFOs and I had a

1491
01:22:03,220 --> 01:21:59,090
thought hit me well that was going on

1492
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:03,230
what's that and that is well you've got

1493
01:22:10,570 --> 01:22:06,410
the e said E and some places in Sedona

1494
01:22:12,850 --> 01:22:10,580
that offer tourism viewing and using the

1495
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:12,860
optics that you are all familiar with

1496
01:22:21,190 --> 01:22:17,930
but I know that in general it is quite

1497
01:22:23,710 --> 01:22:21,200
common to ask these crafts as they

1498
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,720
appear to fire up or turn or something

1499
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:24,960
of the

1500
01:22:32,180 --> 01:22:29,090
to that effect and I was wondering I

1501
01:22:33,979 --> 01:22:32,190
don't have the experience myself and so

1502
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:33,989
I'm not really sure if I'm on the right

1503
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:37,050
track if when you're thinking that and

1504
01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:40,800
you're asking in effect to control the

1505
01:22:47,660 --> 01:22:44,100
craft or ask it to do something at a

1506
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:47,670
request maybe just maybe consciously

1507
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:51,120
through your own thinking you are at

1508
01:22:59,229 --> 01:22:53,580
that point piloting those craft yourself

1509
01:23:02,770 --> 01:22:59,239
and they are allowing it fan

1510
01:23:07,790 --> 01:23:02,780
unbelievable thought but no pun intended

1511
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:07,800
intended is that possible

1512
01:23:14,110 --> 01:23:11,610
you know why wouldn't it be I mean

1513
01:23:21,170 --> 01:23:14,120
that's the thing why why wouldn't it be

1514
01:23:24,020 --> 01:23:21,180
there is a certain amount of of

1515
01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:24,030
happiness of things that are going on at

1516
01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:28,110
that moment when and suddenly they seem

1517
01:23:38,209 --> 01:23:33,000
to be appearing and I have I have said

1518
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,219
this yeah I don't know why it happens

1519
01:23:41,540 --> 01:23:40,320
the way that it does right I don't know

1520
01:23:43,310 --> 01:23:41,550
because we have a certain amount of

1521
01:23:44,690 --> 01:23:43,320
accidents that happen you're driving

1522
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:44,700
down the road you see something in the

1523
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:47,850
sky a couple of nights ago outside boom

1524
01:23:51,890 --> 01:23:49,920
something appears and those are

1525
01:23:56,330 --> 01:23:51,900
accidents you know black triangle

1526
01:23:58,670 --> 01:23:56,340
cruises by that's a one-time thing right

1527
01:24:02,360 --> 01:23:58,680
but when you get a group of people

1528
01:24:04,940 --> 01:24:02,370
together and you all are asking for this

1529
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:04,950
to happen and then suddenly for the next

1530
01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:08,640
two or three hours things are zipping by

1531
01:24:12,590 --> 01:24:10,380
things are lighting up things are

1532
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:12,600
winking and saying hello and it's blue

1533
01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:14,640
and it's red and it's orange and it's

1534
01:24:20,420 --> 01:24:17,820
yellow and and and this is happening you

1535
01:24:24,380 --> 01:24:20,430
have to stop and ask yourself is it

1536
01:24:27,140 --> 01:24:24,390
because we we want this to occur is it

1537
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:27,150
happening because we are inviting them

1538
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:30,480
down you know no now taking it to the

1539
01:24:36,830 --> 01:24:34,110
next level of us controlling that craft

1540
01:24:38,810 --> 01:24:36,840
I wouldn't it almost be the same thing

1541
01:24:42,109 --> 01:24:38,820
almost

1542
01:24:45,620 --> 01:24:42,119
well that that's when another related

1543
01:24:48,350 --> 01:24:45,630
thought at the same time hit me also

1544
01:24:52,490 --> 01:24:48,360
something common practice in these

1545
01:24:54,529 --> 01:24:52,500
places that you go to to experience this

1546
01:24:56,660 --> 01:24:54,539
I'm not saying necessarily that you have

1547
01:24:59,569 --> 01:24:56,670
to go to these places to experience this

1548
01:25:02,779 --> 01:24:59,579
I think that this is available and it's

1549
01:25:04,819 --> 01:25:02,789
presented to you as you just said as an

1550
01:25:07,370 --> 01:25:04,829
opportunity when you see craft I think

1551
01:25:10,189 --> 01:25:07,380
that is an opportunity to become at that

1552
01:25:11,540 --> 01:25:10,199
point a pilot or copilot right but you

1553
01:25:13,310 --> 01:25:11,550
can go to these places

1554
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:13,320
so in effect by going to these places

1555
01:25:20,359 --> 01:25:17,090
you're already prepping your mind with

1556
01:25:23,379 --> 01:25:20,369
expectation with a sort of pre

1557
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:23,389
meditative state and you're visualizing

1558
01:25:31,879 --> 01:25:26,250
somewhat what you are expecting to see

1559
01:25:34,459 --> 01:25:31,889
and by doing that you've set aside fear

1560
01:25:37,299 --> 01:25:34,469
you've put that aside so it is not a

1561
01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:37,309
fearful thing it is something that is

1562
01:25:43,250 --> 01:25:40,440
exciting and you become focused and you

1563
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:43,260
you're very narrow-minded on a

1564
01:25:49,339 --> 01:25:46,050
particular subject matter and dialed in

1565
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:49,349
Sean so sure alleviated that fear to

1566
01:25:54,589 --> 01:25:50,159
this practice

1567
01:25:58,549 --> 01:25:54,599
you're now and set up yourself to I mean

1568
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:58,559
we all know that physics quantum physics

1569
01:26:02,660 --> 01:26:00,960
tells us there's not really any distance

1570
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:02,670
because we have spooky action at a

1571
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:03,300
distance

1572
01:26:08,569 --> 01:26:06,449
right right like things happen right

1573
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:08,579
point a point simultaneously

1574
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:11,730
well remove the distance you're in

1575
01:26:16,490 --> 01:26:13,920
effect already in the pilots feet you're

1576
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:16,500
just consciously assuming the role of

1577
01:26:25,220 --> 01:26:20,610
being the pilot with your thought and

1578
01:26:29,890 --> 01:26:25,230
preparation and perhaps when we see

1579
01:26:34,459 --> 01:26:29,900
craft that seem random maybe that's just

1580
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:34,469
creation or universe kind of letting you

1581
01:26:41,450 --> 01:26:38,159
know that you're ready now fly it well

1582
01:26:43,609 --> 01:26:41,460
let me yes yes and and this is what is

1583
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,619
really cool about what you are saying

1584
01:26:50,750 --> 01:26:45,679
here and I think that you are spot-on

1585
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:50,760
the money and I'll tell you why the the

1586
01:26:55,339 --> 01:26:51,840
the can

1587
01:26:59,390 --> 01:26:55,349
action of mind of consciousness between

1588
01:27:02,000 --> 01:26:59,400
us and them they understand well where

1589
01:27:03,109 --> 01:27:02,010
we we're getting close to that but they

1590
01:27:05,899 --> 01:27:03,119
do it

1591
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:05,909
and and I'll give you a perfect example

1592
01:27:16,330 --> 01:27:11,010
of that words not random four years ago

1593
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:16,340
Rita and I had this rented this cabin

1594
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:18,690
thing out in the middle of the desert

1595
01:27:25,310 --> 01:27:22,530
right and we got the we got the fader

1596
01:27:26,810 --> 01:27:25,320
knobs together and when we did that and

1597
01:27:28,970 --> 01:27:26,820
Eric I want to thank you for the phone

1598
01:27:33,890 --> 01:27:28,980
call by the way okay thank you for that

1599
01:27:35,689 --> 01:27:33,900
and we I've got to get to this other

1600
01:27:37,939 --> 01:27:35,699
call that's coming in Eric so let me

1601
01:27:39,919 --> 01:27:37,949
grab this we've been waiting for this

1602
01:27:41,870 --> 01:27:39,929
ecology let me let me grab this but I'm

1603
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:41,880
gonna I'm gonna answer your question and

1604
01:27:47,689 --> 01:27:45,840
it's this we were out we rented this

1605
01:27:52,189 --> 01:27:47,699
cabin in the middle of the desert and

1606
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,199
when we did that we invited over maybe a

1607
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:54,000
dozen friends and we're out in the

1608
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:57,090
middle of the desert and and so we had

1609
01:28:03,709 --> 01:27:59,760
Steve Murillo there from MUFON we had

1610
01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:03,719
Alex Mastretta there the author and

1611
01:28:10,220 --> 01:28:07,710
maybe made ten other people that but

1612
01:28:14,780 --> 01:28:10,230
that part doesn't matter we were out on

1613
01:28:17,450 --> 01:28:14,790
the patio and at that moment somebody

1614
01:28:19,879 --> 01:28:17,460
says and we're just you know we had a we

1615
01:28:21,770 --> 01:28:19,889
had a dozen pizzas stacked you know we

1616
01:28:25,129 --> 01:28:21,780
had you know we're drinking and beer and

1617
01:28:26,660 --> 01:28:25,139
whatever by vodka shots and but we were

1618
01:28:28,850 --> 01:28:26,670
in the middle of nowhere there was

1619
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:28,860
nothing around us it was just brush and

1620
01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:30,000
desert in the mountains in the

1621
01:28:33,470 --> 01:28:30,510
background

1622
01:28:36,020 --> 01:28:33,480
no lights nothing like that and somebody

1623
01:28:39,859 --> 01:28:36,030
says would it be cool if uh you know if

1624
01:28:43,700 --> 01:28:39,869
the UFO just popped up and at that

1625
01:28:46,970 --> 01:28:43,710
moment and I was facing facing out from

1626
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:46,980
the cabin at that moment out in the

1627
01:28:52,339 --> 01:28:49,980
middle of the desert this white ball now

1628
01:28:54,979 --> 01:28:52,349
if there wasn't a dozen people there as

1629
01:28:59,899 --> 01:28:54,989
witnesses it's just a story but this is

1630
01:29:03,169 --> 01:28:59,909
what happened this white ball shoots up

1631
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:03,179
out of the middle of the desert no smoke

1632
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:05,370
no lights no trail no nothing to

1633
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:08,250
this white glowing ball it lasted for

1634
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:10,890
about two seconds went from the desert

1635
01:29:16,130 --> 01:29:13,370
floor in a perfect straight line

1636
01:29:19,940 --> 01:29:16,140
straight up to the Stars and disappeared

1637
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:19,950
into the atmosphere we were dumbstruck I

1638
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:22,560
was like did that just happened and

1639
01:29:28,340 --> 01:29:25,770
we're all just watching it just

1640
01:29:30,230 --> 01:29:28,350
disappear into the black went straight

1641
01:29:35,810 --> 01:29:30,240
up into the stars and it was like two

1642
01:29:38,510 --> 01:29:35,820
one two three gone now I can't explain

1643
01:29:41,180 --> 01:29:38,520
that I don't know what it was I don't

1644
01:29:44,540 --> 01:29:41,190
know if it was us or them or or some

1645
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:44,550
strange interdimensional American Indian

1646
01:29:50,570 --> 01:29:47,850
entity I don't know but it happened and

1647
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:50,580
that's what the crazy part is all right

1648
01:29:54,620 --> 01:29:51,840
let's go back to the phones hi you're

1649
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,630
live on fade to black who's calling yeah

1650
01:29:58,910 --> 01:29:56,400
this is Richard Doty how you doing Jimmy

1651
01:30:02,630 --> 01:29:58,920
hey Richard how are you sir

1652
01:30:04,730 --> 01:30:02,640
I'm doing great you sound amazing

1653
01:30:06,620 --> 01:30:04,740
you sound perfectly you sound like

1654
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:06,630
you're here in the studio underground

1655
01:30:14,690 --> 01:30:09,170
[Laughter]

1656
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:14,700
Richard Richard Doty okay

1657
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:18,570
welcome to the show as you well I'm

1658
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:19,710
gonna say this with you I'm completely

1659
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:21,600
surprised by this and you already know

1660
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:25,530
that so there you go but Richard you've

1661
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:27,170
been talked about a lot on this show

1662
01:30:37,010 --> 01:30:31,050
over the years what are you up to these

1663
01:30:40,250 --> 01:30:37,020
days well I'm I'm just working for a

1664
01:30:45,610 --> 01:30:40,260
couple different producers and trying to

1665
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:45,620
get some things produced in on the air

1666
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:51,360
doing some advising mostly with a

1667
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:53,610
particular producer I can't I can't

1668
01:30:58,370 --> 01:30:56,400
discuss who but and I can't discuss

1669
01:31:03,710 --> 01:30:58,380
really the project but we've been

1670
01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:03,720
working a lot in Nevada filming by two

1671
01:31:12,380 --> 01:31:09,270
weeks ago we filmed through two or three

1672
01:31:17,890 --> 01:31:12,390
days in Nevada and just different sites

1673
01:31:19,219 --> 01:31:17,900
in Nevada for an upcoming series so

1674
01:31:22,819 --> 01:31:19,229
Richard

1675
01:31:26,989 --> 01:31:22,829
is it okay if we speak freely yes

1676
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:26,999
absolutely okay I know that I know that

1677
01:31:34,899 --> 01:31:30,800
you know that I know that you know about

1678
01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:34,909
about your history in the past and and

1679
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:38,639
the the information the stories and so

1680
01:31:45,410 --> 01:31:41,610
forth and and video and interviews and

1681
01:31:48,109 --> 01:31:45,420
and and information and and so it's been

1682
01:31:51,709 --> 01:31:48,119
in the UFO community for a very very

1683
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:51,719
very long time and there are those out

1684
01:32:00,859 --> 01:31:56,489
there myself included that's when we go

1685
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:00,869
through your part of our history

1686
01:32:06,620 --> 01:32:03,209
you know our collective history that

1687
01:32:09,739 --> 01:32:06,630
there is a very disturbing part of it

1688
01:32:12,199 --> 01:32:09,749
that makes us you know feel a little

1689
01:32:16,069 --> 01:32:12,209
uncomfortable little dirty and myself

1690
01:32:21,759 --> 01:32:16,079
included and you were you were right in

1691
01:32:25,549 --> 01:32:21,769
the middle of that heated heated area

1692
01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:25,559
looking back and we can we can certainly

1693
01:32:30,739 --> 01:32:27,209
talk about anything that you would like

1694
01:32:34,370 --> 01:32:30,749
to talk about now but today do you feel

1695
01:32:37,299 --> 01:32:34,380
any any guilt or would you go back and

1696
01:32:38,689 --> 01:32:37,309
change anything when it comes to

1697
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:38,699
bennewitz

1698
01:32:44,029 --> 01:32:41,610
or the way that things went down or was

1699
01:32:47,259 --> 01:32:44,039
it just your job in the Air Force and

1700
01:32:51,759 --> 01:32:47,269
you were just doing what you were told

1701
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:51,769
well going back to those days in the 80s

1702
01:32:57,279 --> 01:32:54,719
I had a job to do

1703
01:33:04,040 --> 01:32:57,289
I was sanctioned to do certain things

1704
01:33:06,919 --> 01:33:04,050
missions based on a larger plan and they

1705
01:33:08,419 --> 01:33:06,929
were and first of all let me know let me

1706
01:33:10,910 --> 01:33:08,429
say that I wasn't the only person

1707
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:10,920
involved in this there's a hundred and

1708
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:14,610
twenty-two other agents that were doing

1709
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:17,449
what I was doing investigating and

1710
01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:21,199
phenomenas UFO sightings UFO incidents

1711
01:33:27,020 --> 01:33:24,900
involving Air Force or occurring on Air

1712
01:33:30,140 --> 01:33:27,030
Force installations or in the vicinity

1713
01:33:31,839 --> 01:33:30,150
Air Force installations right and so

1714
01:33:33,029 --> 01:33:31,849
when we go back to the bennewitz

1715
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:33,039
Internet

1716
01:33:38,660 --> 01:33:36,610
bennewitz operation I did what I was

1717
01:33:43,649 --> 01:33:38,670
told to do I was something it was I was

1718
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:43,659
given a mission and I did my mission but

1719
01:33:54,359 --> 01:33:48,400
a lot of what what is is spread in the

1720
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:54,369
internet isn't factual they I know I I

1721
01:34:00,779 --> 01:33:57,760
heard somebody on coast-to-coast some

1722
01:34:03,959 --> 01:34:00,789
some months ago talking about it saying

1723
01:34:07,979 --> 01:34:03,969
how I brainwashed Paul bennewitz and

1724
01:34:12,810 --> 01:34:07,989
well if anyone knew Paul bennewitz he

1725
01:34:17,370 --> 01:34:12,820
was a very strict down-to-earth type of

1726
01:34:19,290 --> 01:34:17,380
person and he was his own personality if

1727
01:34:21,870 --> 01:34:19,300
he can understand what that means he has

1728
01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:21,880
as he had his own thought pattern and

1729
01:34:29,819 --> 01:34:27,480
own own reason and so I couldn't have

1730
01:34:33,390 --> 01:34:29,829
convinced him to do something that he

1731
01:34:35,700 --> 01:34:33,400
didn't want to do I never had to

1732
01:34:39,839 --> 01:34:35,710
convince him to do anything during this

1733
01:34:41,839 --> 01:34:39,849
operation he he was he was convinced

1734
01:34:44,759 --> 01:34:41,849
that he was in contact with

1735
01:34:47,729 --> 01:34:44,769
extraterrestrials all I had to do was go

1736
01:34:49,649 --> 01:34:47,739
along with what he said and we did with

1737
01:34:52,890 --> 01:34:49,659
me and some others we just said you know

1738
01:34:55,290 --> 01:34:52,900
Paul if you think that's an extra

1739
01:34:58,229 --> 01:34:55,300
truster you have on that screen and then

1740
01:35:02,370 --> 01:34:58,239
I'm gonna believe you and and and so

1741
01:35:04,500 --> 01:35:02,380
that that's all we did we just we sat

1742
01:35:07,890 --> 01:35:04,510
back and listened to him and he

1743
01:35:09,660 --> 01:35:07,900
convinced himself that what he was doing

1744
01:35:12,270 --> 01:35:09,670
what he was saying the pictures a risk

1745
01:35:17,069 --> 01:35:12,280
taken involved extraterrestrials and

1746
01:35:18,930 --> 01:35:17,079
when years later when I sat down with

1747
01:35:22,020 --> 01:35:18,940
him after this was all over with and

1748
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:22,030
told Paul Paul listen what you were

1749
01:35:26,250 --> 01:35:24,010
seeing really wasn't you yeah I couldn't

1750
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:26,260
convince him otherwise he wasn't going

1751
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:32,320
to listen to me so it was really easy an

1752
01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:35,530
easy operation because he he convinced

1753
01:35:40,649 --> 01:35:38,409
himself to believe into it but there was

1754
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:40,659
okay let me ask you a couple let's

1755
01:35:46,399 --> 01:35:43,090
actually clear the air right you were

1756
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:46,409
there and I'm not sure

1757
01:35:52,189 --> 01:35:48,960
if it was me that was hosting on coast

1758
01:35:55,879 --> 01:35:52,199
to coast that night I don't remember a

1759
01:35:58,370 --> 01:35:55,889
converse that conversation so I don't

1760
01:36:00,830 --> 01:35:58,380
know what you're referring to directly

1761
01:36:03,860 --> 01:36:00,840
but certainly that has been mentioned a

1762
01:36:06,169 --> 01:36:03,870
lot over the years that that that's what

1763
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:06,179
went on but but let me ask you this

1764
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:10,530
did you go into bennewitz his house and

1765
01:36:14,620 --> 01:36:12,570
move his furniture around to mess with

1766
01:36:17,740 --> 01:36:14,630
them did that ever happen

1767
01:36:20,330 --> 01:36:17,750
that's that's absolutely false I

1768
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,340
wouldn't have had permission to do that

1769
01:36:26,410 --> 01:36:22,560
I mean I couldn't have unless I got some

1770
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:26,420
sort of a search warrant to do that I

1771
01:36:32,030 --> 01:36:29,370
have possibly done that and I didn't do

1772
01:36:34,939 --> 01:36:32,040
that did anybody in the air force move

1773
01:36:36,890 --> 01:36:34,949
furniture around in his house not not

1774
01:36:38,780 --> 01:36:36,900
that I know of not that I know of but

1775
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:38,790
you have to understand that there was

1776
01:36:43,459 --> 01:36:41,130
another agency intimately involved in

1777
01:36:46,490 --> 01:36:43,469
this and that was a national security

1778
01:36:49,879 --> 01:36:46,500
agency right they didn't coordinate what

1779
01:36:51,919 --> 01:36:49,889
they were doing with us and and the

1780
01:36:54,500 --> 01:36:51,929
particular incident I tell people is a

1781
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:54,510
when I was I was at Paul's house myself

1782
01:36:59,600 --> 01:36:56,730
and another agent by name is steve at

1783
01:37:02,649 --> 01:36:59,610
set we were at his house one night it

1784
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:02,659
was a rainy night in albuquerque and

1785
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:05,280
paul said there's somebody across the

1786
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:08,010
street in that house and the corner and

1787
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:11,250
and paul said but that house is vacant

1788
01:37:16,189 --> 01:37:13,530
there shouldn't be anybody in there so

1789
01:37:18,919 --> 01:37:16,199
we watched and we could see lights going

1790
01:37:21,260 --> 01:37:18,929
on over there and we could realize what

1791
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:21,270
we were seeing or were lights on a

1792
01:37:29,390 --> 01:37:24,239
camera a video camera and i understand

1793
01:37:32,810 --> 01:37:29,400
this is like 1983 8283 time frame right

1794
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:32,820
and so and so i said you know what

1795
01:37:38,169 --> 01:37:35,370
somebody somebody's recording something

1796
01:37:42,250 --> 01:37:38,179
over there Paul so Steve and I went out

1797
01:37:45,770 --> 01:37:42,260
I'd call a Albuquerque Police Department

1798
01:37:49,340 --> 01:37:45,780
officer that I knew he arrived and he's

1799
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:49,350
parked a block away and we we came up an

1800
01:37:55,729 --> 01:37:51,810
alley and we saw a vehicle parked behind

1801
01:37:59,209 --> 01:37:55,739
this vacant house and so we recorded a

1802
01:38:00,260 --> 01:37:59,219
license number the elbe the Albuquerque

1803
01:38:02,150 --> 01:38:00,270
Police Officer and

1804
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:02,160
and the door because it was like

1805
01:38:09,070 --> 01:38:06,090
somebody came to the door we identified

1806
01:38:14,330 --> 01:38:09,080
himself with federal credentials as a

1807
01:38:15,890 --> 01:38:14,340
agent and the Albuquerque Police Officer

1808
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:15,900
who's there his name was Darrell turned

1809
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:17,610
to me and he said you guys know each

1810
01:38:20,420 --> 01:38:18,210
other

1811
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:20,430
and I looked at his credentials and it

1812
01:38:23,450 --> 01:38:22,050
was national security agency and they

1813
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,460
said what are you guys doing here

1814
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:25,440
he said we're doing the same thing

1815
01:38:30,710 --> 01:38:28,800
you're doing I said well we need to

1816
01:38:31,970 --> 01:38:30,720
coordinate this he said well you're

1817
01:38:35,180 --> 01:38:31,980
gonna have to coordinate with our

1818
01:38:38,090 --> 01:38:35,190
supervisors and he shut the door and I

1819
01:38:39,530 --> 01:38:38,100
and I the the APD officer and knocked on

1820
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:39,540
the door again and said hey you guys

1821
01:38:43,190 --> 01:38:40,560
have permission here

1822
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:43,200
he said yeah we're renting the house and

1823
01:38:48,020 --> 01:38:46,050
so so that's an example of them doing

1824
01:38:49,970 --> 01:38:48,030
something that wasn't coordinated with

1825
01:38:54,020 --> 01:38:49,980
us we had no idea what they were doing

1826
01:38:57,380 --> 01:38:54,030
the next day I contacted the NSA

1827
01:39:02,180 --> 01:38:57,390
representative on base mm-hmm and I had

1828
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:02,190
a myself and and my supervisor went to

1829
01:39:07,700 --> 01:39:05,250
their office sat down and said listen if

1830
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:07,710
you guys are doing something regarding

1831
01:39:13,550 --> 01:39:10,320
this operation then we need to know

1832
01:39:16,180 --> 01:39:13,560
about it and the supervisor said we were

1833
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:16,190
tell you what we we can tell you and

1834
01:39:23,540 --> 01:39:20,250
they did but it was we knew or I

1835
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:23,550
realized that they were doing more than

1836
01:39:26,660 --> 01:39:24,930
they were telling us they were doing

1837
01:39:29,540 --> 01:39:26,670
what did they say that they were doing

1838
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:29,550
Richard do you remember there were and

1839
01:39:34,970 --> 01:39:31,170
they were interested in his

1840
01:39:38,030 --> 01:39:34,980
communications devices how he was and

1841
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:38,040
and this isn't a secret anymore but Paul

1842
01:39:42,140 --> 01:39:39,930
was actually tapping I don't know how

1843
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:42,150
exactly I'm not a I'm not a scientist

1844
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:45,330
but he was tapping into a community as

1845
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:49,130
secure communications system on Kirtland

1846
01:39:56,180 --> 01:39:52,320
that was operated by the National

1847
01:39:59,390 --> 01:39:56,190
Security Agency I and that's one of the

1848
01:40:05,780 --> 01:39:59,400
reason we started this because NSA tasks

1849
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:05,790
us with with investigating it and so and

1850
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:07,290
I'm not sure how he did it but they were

1851
01:40:11,480 --> 01:40:09,930
interesting to know how he was doing it

1852
01:40:14,209 --> 01:40:11,490
and whether he was working with anyone

1853
01:40:16,250 --> 01:40:14,219
else right so that's

1854
01:40:21,379 --> 01:40:16,260
that's why they were involved in it the

1855
01:40:25,310 --> 01:40:21,389
famous box of pictures that he had in

1856
01:40:29,689 --> 01:40:25,320
his home again we're going to refer to

1857
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:29,699
urban legend here Richard that you saw

1858
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:32,249
the pictures that he was taking and

1859
01:40:39,049 --> 01:40:35,010
that's that some of these pictures

1860
01:40:41,540 --> 01:40:39,059
clearly showed craft on the ground with

1861
01:40:44,089 --> 01:40:41,550
you know flying saw it literally that

1862
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:44,099
was the description with legs lit up

1863
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:48,210
refueling taken off at Kirtland and that

1864
01:40:53,419 --> 01:40:51,119
you saw these photographs and then after

1865
01:40:54,890 --> 01:40:53,429
those photographs disappeared in the Box

1866
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:54,900
disappeared what can you tell me about

1867
01:41:04,339 --> 01:41:00,800
that well yeah there's there's maybe

1868
01:41:08,109 --> 01:41:04,349
five percent of that accurate that most

1869
01:41:13,939 --> 01:41:08,119
of it's not he had it he had a box of

1870
01:41:17,239 --> 01:41:13,949
photograph at actually was a a file box

1871
01:41:19,549 --> 01:41:17,249
that you could lock and he kept when I

1872
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:19,559
first met Paul going back some time

1873
01:41:25,390 --> 01:41:21,840
myself and Jerry Miller world over his

1874
01:41:27,919 --> 01:41:25,400
residence and we were discussing his his

1875
01:41:29,330 --> 01:41:27,929
computer system he had and of course

1876
01:41:31,939 --> 01:41:29,340
this is back in the 80s and he had a

1877
01:41:35,209 --> 01:41:31,949
pretty sophisticated computer system and

1878
01:41:38,450 --> 01:41:35,219
plus all these other electronical

1879
01:41:41,799 --> 01:41:38,460
devices that he had on his roof and he

1880
01:41:45,919 --> 01:41:41,809
he kept pointing to a box on his desk in

1881
01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:45,929
his house and he said that right there

1882
01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:48,510
will prove the existence of what I mean

1883
01:41:53,239 --> 01:41:50,940
what I have here he kept saying that to

1884
01:41:56,239 --> 01:41:53,249
us but he would never open it and show

1885
01:41:59,000 --> 01:41:56,249
us eventually one day one night after

1886
01:42:01,310 --> 01:41:59,010
dinner I was there with him having

1887
01:42:03,739 --> 01:42:01,320
dinner with him and his wife I asked

1888
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,749
Paul I said what about these what about

1889
01:42:08,509 --> 01:42:05,280
that box you get pointing to what's in

1890
01:42:13,009 --> 01:42:08,519
that box he said photographs I said well

1891
01:42:15,290 --> 01:42:13,019
can I see it so he opened we went from

1892
01:42:17,959 --> 01:42:15,300
his dining room table to his office he

1893
01:42:21,979 --> 01:42:17,969
opened up the box and he laid out on a

1894
01:42:23,689 --> 01:42:21,989
big table somewhat a conference table he

1895
01:42:26,060 --> 01:42:23,699
said I want you to go to the other room

1896
01:42:28,410 --> 01:42:26,070
and I'm gonna lay these out cuz because

1897
01:42:30,630 --> 01:42:28,420
I don't want you to see what order

1898
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:30,640
well I'm gonna eventually see it but I

1899
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:32,560
said I did what he asked me to do I came

1900
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:34,210
back and I looked at and I wasn't

1901
01:42:39,450 --> 01:42:36,489
supposed to touch him but he did have he

1902
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:39,460
had I don't know how many quite a few

1903
01:42:47,459 --> 01:42:43,030
I'd say maybe 50 somewhere between 45

1904
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:47,469
and 50 photographs of UFOs that were on

1905
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:50,410
the ground that were in the air that

1906
01:42:57,209 --> 01:42:53,530
were flying next to aircrafts well some

1907
01:43:01,040 --> 01:42:57,219
of them I recognized as as photographs

1908
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:01,050
taken somewhere else or in some other

1909
01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:04,330
venue a one particular one I saw that I

1910
01:43:09,150 --> 01:43:06,760
recognized immediately was a it was a

1911
01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:09,160
photograph of the McMinnville Oregon

1912
01:43:13,410 --> 01:43:11,140
incident I'm sure Jimmy you know about

1913
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:13,420
that of course right sometime in the

1914
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:15,250
fifties I don't remember exactly when in

1915
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:17,650
the 50s well I looked at these and I

1916
01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:19,090
didn't want to embarrass him and say

1917
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:22,270
well I've seen these before so a lot of

1918
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:25,360
them were pictures that were had already

1919
01:43:32,729 --> 01:43:29,890
been in in certain circuits someplace in

1920
01:43:34,020 --> 01:43:32,739
magazines or some other of course we

1921
01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:34,030
didn't have the internet back then so it

1922
01:43:38,670 --> 01:43:36,190
hadn't been magazines or books or

1923
01:43:41,870 --> 01:43:38,680
something and it looked to me like most

1924
01:43:45,390 --> 01:43:41,880
of them were a picture of a picture and

1925
01:43:47,220 --> 01:43:45,400
but there were some that he he dead he

1926
01:43:50,270 --> 01:43:47,230
had taken and it was clear that he had

1927
01:43:53,700 --> 01:43:50,280
taken him over Kirtland Air Force Base

1928
01:43:56,370 --> 01:43:53,710
because of the terrain I could look at

1929
01:43:58,979 --> 01:43:56,380
the Train and see it was Kirtland but he

1930
01:44:00,570 --> 01:43:58,989
took pictures of things and I can't to

1931
01:44:02,970 --> 01:44:00,580
this day

1932
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:02,980
explain what he was what he took a

1933
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:06,880
picture of in fact our we had an expert

1934
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:08,890
had some another agent who was a

1935
01:44:13,770 --> 01:44:11,440
photographic specialist come in and look

1936
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:13,780
at these pictures to see to try to

1937
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:16,570
figure out what is that and when was

1938
01:44:21,260 --> 01:44:18,850
that taken and he had a day yeah daytime

1939
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:21,270
so we knew when it was taken but we

1940
01:44:28,050 --> 01:44:24,850
there wasn't any other record on base of

1941
01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:28,060
anybody reporting a particularly ruler

1942
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:31,270
for some other craft unusual craft lying

1943
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:33,610
next to it an aircraft coming in for

1944
01:44:39,060 --> 01:44:36,000
landing so you had some that were

1945
01:44:41,700 --> 01:44:39,070
unexplained but most of those were

1946
01:44:45,380 --> 01:44:41,710
easily explained as it has empty

1947
01:44:48,030 --> 01:44:45,390
taking a picture of a picture did you

1948
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:48,040
again I'm referring to urban legend

1949
01:44:54,150 --> 01:44:52,480
you're with me now and I appreciate you

1950
01:44:56,010 --> 01:44:54,160
being here and answering these questions

1951
01:44:59,190 --> 01:44:56,020
because we these are things that we've

1952
01:45:02,820 --> 01:44:59,200
always wanted to know did you provide

1953
01:45:06,209 --> 01:45:02,830
Paul Ben of Ben awaits documents

1954
01:45:09,950 --> 01:45:06,219
pertaining to the UFO subject proving

1955
01:45:15,330 --> 01:45:09,960
the existence of UFOs that you created

1956
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:15,340
no no no what we what we I didn't even

1957
01:45:26,450 --> 01:45:21,250
do it another agent did this and and we

1958
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:26,460
we took a particular briefing document

1959
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:35,650
that we had and we let Paul read it and

1960
01:45:41,370 --> 01:45:39,370
it was in fact classified I mean the

1961
01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:41,380
classification wasn't real we put a

1962
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:44,500
classification on it to convince Paul

1963
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:47,050
that what he was reading was real but I

1964
01:45:52,020 --> 01:45:49,690
didn't do that I wasn't there at the

1965
01:45:53,790 --> 01:45:52,030
time fact during that time period I was

1966
01:45:57,740 --> 01:45:53,800
in Washington DC this is something else

1967
01:46:01,770 --> 01:45:57,750
but some other people had done that now

1968
01:46:06,630 --> 01:46:01,780
NSA had a long two-hour meeting with

1969
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:06,640
Paul some time towards the end of the

1970
01:46:14,610 --> 01:46:10,330
operation and I'm not sure what they did

1971
01:46:16,979 --> 01:46:14,620
or what they showed him I know what has

1972
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:16,989
been written and I know why you asked

1973
01:46:23,220 --> 01:46:20,320
that question but I never personally

1974
01:46:26,060 --> 01:46:23,230
showed him anything like that why what's

1975
01:46:30,510 --> 01:46:26,070
the goal in doing something like that

1976
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:30,520
you know is it okay I'll let you answer

1977
01:46:34,260 --> 01:46:32,080
that because you know I've got like

1978
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:34,270
three questions out of my right behind

1979
01:46:41,810 --> 01:46:38,170
that but what's the goal in doing that

1980
01:46:44,940 --> 01:46:41,820
it's spreading it's spreading something

1981
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,950
is spreading disinformation your that's

1982
01:46:49,530 --> 01:46:46,719
what you want to say yeah absolutely I

1983
01:46:53,250 --> 01:46:49,540
agree with number percent but what we

1984
01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:53,260
what we do hold on hold on Richard hold

1985
01:46:58,500 --> 01:46:53,590
on

1986
01:47:00,689 --> 01:46:58,510
said that she showed him a briefing

1987
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:00,699
document that you changed the class you

1988
01:47:06,270 --> 01:47:03,250
added a classification - are you saying

1989
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:06,280
that that briefing document was not that

1990
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:08,320
that was disinformation or was the

1991
01:47:15,140 --> 01:47:10,449
briefing document an actual briefing

1992
01:47:18,330 --> 01:47:15,150
document I'm confused document it was a

1993
01:47:20,430 --> 01:47:18,340
it was disinformation it wasn't real

1994
01:47:23,970 --> 01:47:20,440
there were some of the things in it

1995
01:47:26,850 --> 01:47:23,980
probably was like I said I didn't I saw

1996
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:26,860
this later I saw it in the file later

1997
01:47:33,780 --> 01:47:30,730
that it was done by an another agent so

1998
01:47:36,540 --> 01:47:33,790
when you say me I didn't my my

1999
01:47:40,350 --> 01:47:36,550
organization therefore sauce I did right

2000
01:47:45,209 --> 01:47:40,360
but I didn't person I didn't create

2001
01:47:47,970 --> 01:47:45,219
right what I wanted it was a fake

2002
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:47,980
document with the fake classification

2003
01:47:52,649 --> 01:47:50,650
used for disinformation shown to Paul

2004
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:52,659
bennewitz you were in DC you weren't

2005
01:48:00,930 --> 01:47:55,119
there when the fake document was shown

2006
01:48:02,609 --> 01:48:00,940
to him now right no now now we're clear

2007
01:48:04,530 --> 01:48:02,619
okay I just wanted to get that other way

2008
01:48:06,450 --> 01:48:04,540
I didn't know if you see it sounded like

2009
01:48:08,339 --> 01:48:06,460
you had suggested that the document was

2010
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:08,349
real you just added a top secret

2011
01:48:13,109 --> 01:48:10,360
classification but that wasn't the case

2012
01:48:18,060 --> 01:48:13,119
it was it was it was a fake document all

2013
01:48:19,709 --> 01:48:18,070
along got it okay so it was secret it

2014
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:19,719
was secret I don't believe it was top

2015
01:48:23,820 --> 01:48:20,170
secret

2016
01:48:25,919 --> 01:48:23,830
I carry my as far as I can remember it

2017
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:25,929
was secret I believe it was just secret

2018
01:48:32,850 --> 01:48:28,210
you know was it I think it was a one or

2019
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:32,860
two page like a summary you spent a long

2020
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:36,130
time so I I can't remember but but the

2021
01:48:45,629 --> 01:48:38,800
reason we do this the reason we did that

2022
01:48:48,060 --> 01:48:45,639
is if somebody was if somebody had

2023
01:48:52,979 --> 01:48:48,070
gotten into some real information some

2024
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:52,989
real top-secret communications systems

2025
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:56,170
or real top secret operations that were

2026
01:49:04,050 --> 01:48:59,199
occurring on Kirtland that involves some

2027
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:04,060
really highly classified projects we

2028
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:06,610
won't would want that person to think

2029
01:49:11,069 --> 01:49:07,449
that what they

2030
01:49:15,060 --> 01:49:11,079
we're actually seeing was UFOs and not

2031
01:49:17,699 --> 01:49:15,070
real US government operations where they

2032
01:49:19,979 --> 01:49:17,709
can go out and start spreading this out

2033
01:49:22,290 --> 01:49:19,989
and and eventually during that time

2034
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:22,300
period of course the Soviets would would

2035
01:49:28,739 --> 01:49:26,050
end up with it so so it's it's a what we

2036
01:49:29,819 --> 01:49:28,749
don't call it a disinformation call it

2037
01:49:31,410 --> 01:49:29,829
counterintelligence of the

2038
01:49:34,169 --> 01:49:31,420
counterintelligence operation where we

2039
01:49:39,299 --> 01:49:34,179
tried to keep them thinking okay it's

2040
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:39,309
it's a UFO it's not really a a a I mean

2041
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:41,440
we think we want them to think it's a

2042
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:44,050
UFO and not the real operation that they

2043
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:48,130
might have accidentally got into and now

2044
01:49:55,140 --> 01:49:51,010
this disinformation obviously is going

2045
01:49:58,169 --> 01:49:55,150
to snowball throughout the UFO community

2046
01:50:01,709 --> 01:49:58,179
too as well I mean it was that part of

2047
01:50:06,569 --> 01:50:01,719
it was that part of your goal no and we

2048
01:50:08,969 --> 01:50:06,579
we we didn't at that point we didn't

2049
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:08,979
look beyond Paul bennewitz the operation

2050
01:50:16,259 --> 01:50:13,360
was was targeted for Paul bennewitz and

2051
01:50:19,020 --> 01:50:16,269
his companies under scientific right eye

2052
01:50:22,529 --> 01:50:19,030
and what where it went from there what

2053
01:50:24,750 --> 01:50:22,539
wouldn't be our responsibility and let

2054
01:50:27,330 --> 01:50:24,760
me tell you now what and this is no

2055
01:50:31,859 --> 01:50:27,340
longer classified because it was

2056
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:31,869
Declassified some years ago what the Air

2057
01:50:38,430 --> 01:50:34,570
Force was doing what NSA was doing was

2058
01:50:41,549 --> 01:50:38,440
they had a facility on Kirtland that was

2059
01:50:44,009 --> 01:50:41,559
shooting a laser at Soviet satellites as

2060
01:50:49,049 --> 01:50:44,019
it was coming over and there was a

2061
01:50:51,810 --> 01:50:49,059
communication system used to to mask and

2062
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:51,820
I'm not I'm explaining as the layperson

2063
01:50:57,060 --> 01:50:55,090
sure at the to mannequin and and Paul

2064
01:50:59,250 --> 01:50:57,070
had tapped into that communication

2065
01:51:02,310 --> 01:50:59,260
system and the frequencies involved in

2066
01:51:06,359 --> 01:51:02,320
doing this and and what this what this

2067
01:51:08,609 --> 01:51:06,369
laser would do is is basically blind the

2068
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:08,619
Soviet satellite as it was flying over

2069
01:51:14,879 --> 01:51:11,440
and they had it there and they had it

2070
01:51:16,739 --> 01:51:14,889
out of area 51 and it had a couple other

2071
01:51:19,020 --> 01:51:16,749
facilities and this was an experimental

2072
01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:19,030
stage maybe they didn't have an

2073
01:51:24,330 --> 01:51:21,280
operational but they were

2074
01:51:26,729 --> 01:51:24,340
they were doing that and so that's why

2075
01:51:30,270 --> 01:51:26,739
it was highly classified back then so

2076
01:51:33,689 --> 01:51:30,280
that's why we couldn't let that out but

2077
01:51:35,010 --> 01:51:33,699
why not and as certainly hindsight is

2078
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:35,020
very dangerous

2079
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:39,730
Richard but why not just tell him the

2080
01:51:43,620 --> 01:51:40,650
truth

2081
01:51:46,260 --> 01:51:43,630
why not just tell them as an American

2082
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:46,270
citizen you would understand hey man you

2083
01:51:51,359 --> 01:51:48,070
know the Soviets we got this thing going

2084
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:51,369
on you've tapped into that it's not UFOs

2085
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:53,920
and this is very highly classified so

2086
01:51:57,689 --> 01:51:56,320
just do your duty as a patriot and keep

2087
01:52:01,339 --> 01:51:57,699
your mouth shut that's what's really

2088
01:52:03,930 --> 01:52:01,349
going on no harm no foul

2089
01:52:06,359 --> 01:52:03,940
well like you said

2090
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:06,369
hindsight's always 20/20 most of the

2091
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:10,000
time is coming 20 but I wasn't in a

2092
01:52:15,470 --> 01:52:13,090
position to write the operations of

2093
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:15,480
operational plan this comes from a

2094
01:52:22,379 --> 01:52:19,679
supervisor headquarters in Washington

2095
01:52:24,830 --> 01:52:22,389
intelligence community and they they

2096
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:24,840
decide and what how they are going to

2097
01:52:30,359 --> 01:52:27,489
conduct these operations and how they're

2098
01:52:32,370 --> 01:52:30,369
going to target people and I'm the

2099
01:52:34,379 --> 01:52:32,380
player and the bottom of the totem pole

2100
01:52:38,339 --> 01:52:34,389
that is actually doing this I'm the

2101
01:52:41,939 --> 01:52:38,349
agent in the field doing this so yeah it

2102
01:52:44,879 --> 01:52:41,949
would it would probably as some in some

2103
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:44,889
instances that would be better to just

2104
01:52:49,740 --> 01:52:48,159
tell them the truth but I didn't have

2105
01:52:50,700 --> 01:52:49,750
the option of doing that might have

2106
01:52:54,930 --> 01:52:50,710
saved a man's life

2107
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:54,940
you know again hindsight but let me okay

2108
01:53:01,589 --> 01:52:56,800
no it's let's keep going I've got a

2109
01:53:05,399 --> 01:53:01,599
hundred questions for you Richard Paul

2110
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:05,409
bennewitz Paul bennewitz he smoked three

2111
01:53:11,180 --> 01:53:07,360
to four pack of cigarettes a day right

2112
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:13,709
continuously every time you looked at

2113
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:16,960
him he had coca-cola he would he would

2114
01:53:23,850 --> 01:53:20,010
have now that not a can but a quart size

2115
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:23,860
so he wasn't in very good health in the

2116
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:26,650
early 80s and even when he when they

2117
01:53:33,629 --> 01:53:31,599
made him stop smoking later on he you

2118
01:53:35,069 --> 01:53:33,639
know his health had deteriorated because

2119
01:53:38,189 --> 01:53:35,079
of him

2120
01:53:40,830 --> 01:53:38,199
because of the the the cigarette smoking

2121
01:53:43,259 --> 01:53:40,840
I mean I was in the room isn't in his

2122
01:53:47,459 --> 01:53:43,269
hospital room when a doctor came in and

2123
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:47,469
said to him Paul you killed yourself

2124
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:50,249
over these fifty five years of smoking

2125
01:53:56,850 --> 01:53:54,400
there's nothing we can do about that but

2126
01:53:59,790 --> 01:53:56,860
we're trying to do everything we can to

2127
01:54:02,370 --> 01:53:59,800
keep your you know keep your life active

2128
01:54:04,859 --> 01:54:02,380
but but but that's you know Paul wasn't

2129
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:04,869
in the best of physical condition so

2130
01:54:09,959 --> 01:54:07,209
when we say might have kept him alive

2131
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:09,969
I doubt that yeah I know he went in the

2132
01:54:14,339 --> 01:54:12,489
hospital he had a nervous breakdown but

2133
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:14,349
but that would call was caused by a

2134
01:54:18,689 --> 01:54:16,090
couple other factors one of them is

2135
01:54:22,350 --> 01:54:18,699
business thunder scientific laboratories

2136
01:54:26,489 --> 01:54:22,360
I had lost a real big contract because

2137
01:54:32,250 --> 01:54:26,499
of him Paul Paul was so hung up with

2138
01:54:33,959 --> 01:54:32,260
this this UFO business that he neglected

2139
01:54:35,609 --> 01:54:33,969
what he should have been doing in his

2140
01:54:38,419 --> 01:54:35,619
business well of course

2141
01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:38,429
Richard of course because he was shown

2142
01:54:46,649 --> 01:54:43,150
documents that they were real from his

2143
01:54:50,459 --> 01:54:46,659
own government and so absolutely I think

2144
01:54:53,279 --> 01:54:50,469
if I cannot imagine how many people will

2145
01:54:55,500 --> 01:54:53,289
be pushed over the edge you know given

2146
01:54:58,949 --> 01:54:55,510
that same circumstance you know myself

2147
01:55:01,979 --> 01:54:58,959
included you know that's a pretty crazy

2148
01:55:03,839 --> 01:55:01,989
thing to show to somebody we always you

2149
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:03,849
know we have that question you know how

2150
01:55:08,609 --> 01:55:06,159
are we being visited of what am I seeing

2151
01:55:10,729 --> 01:55:08,619
in the sky is it is it really is it this

2152
01:55:14,129 --> 01:55:10,739
it and then you know your own government

2153
01:55:16,169 --> 01:55:14,139
says hey man okay you know they're real

2154
01:55:19,020 --> 01:55:16,179
and we want you to come in and and work

2155
01:55:22,259 --> 01:55:19,030
with us that that to somebody that may

2156
01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:22,269
not be already stable is is a is a bad

2157
01:55:27,569 --> 01:55:24,249
position to put somebody in I wasn't

2158
01:55:30,359 --> 01:55:27,579
there but I'm just saying if I was shown

2159
01:55:33,479 --> 01:55:30,369
documents and and from the government

2160
01:55:36,870 --> 01:55:33,489
not from you know some ufologists right

2161
01:55:40,319 --> 01:55:36,880
but from the Air Force themselves holy

2162
01:55:42,839 --> 01:55:40,329
crap right well okay let me let's and

2163
01:55:45,330 --> 01:55:42,849
that's my take I don't know about the

2164
01:55:47,729 --> 01:55:45,340
cigarettes and and and the physical

2165
01:55:48,450 --> 01:55:47,739
health and and the coca-cola but you're

2166
01:55:52,770 --> 01:55:48,460
making me one

2167
01:55:58,440 --> 01:55:52,780
change my diet for sure is this Richard

2168
01:56:02,790 --> 01:55:58,450
what about the the Dulce situation there

2169
01:56:05,010 --> 01:56:02,800
again I'm going back to urban legend but

2170
01:56:09,540 --> 01:56:05,020
did you push him in that direction as

2171
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:09,550
well the underground base no no no Paul

2172
01:56:16,260 --> 01:56:14,410
had already prepared us becoming

2173
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:16,270
involved in this operation Paul had

2174
01:56:23,550 --> 01:56:19,510
already made a number of trips to Dulce

2175
01:56:25,950 --> 01:56:23,560
and he had gotten information from this

2176
01:56:27,540 --> 01:56:25,960
other person and I don't really want to

2177
01:56:29,130 --> 01:56:27,550
bring this other person involved in it

2178
01:56:35,150 --> 01:56:29,140
but there's actually it was an operation

2179
01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:35,160
never been disclosed but there was a an

2180
01:56:41,180 --> 01:56:38,800
operation involving another person that

2181
01:56:46,979 --> 01:56:41,190
was Paul's friend in this this whole

2182
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:46,989
business and he got Paul involved in a

2183
01:56:53,310 --> 01:56:49,410
Dulce incident Archuleta peak mm-hmm

2184
01:56:56,430 --> 01:56:53,320
well excuse me Paul Paul told me one day

2185
01:56:59,490 --> 01:56:56,440
when I was having a discussion with him

2186
01:57:01,890 --> 01:56:59,500
he said well I know where the alien

2187
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:01,900
bases located it's happened Dulce New

2188
01:57:07,530 --> 01:57:06,010
Mexico it's it Archuleta peak and I said

2189
01:57:08,670 --> 01:57:07,540
well how do you know that he said

2190
01:57:10,530 --> 01:57:08,680
because I've been up there and I've

2191
01:57:12,750 --> 01:57:10,540
taken pictures and you know then he

2192
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:12,760
showed me a way she showed me a video he

2193
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:15,040
flew over oh right maybe he took a plane

2194
01:57:20,130 --> 01:57:17,410
up there right yeah he did the plane up

2195
01:57:23,190 --> 01:57:20,140
there right but and he had taken some

2196
01:57:25,590 --> 01:57:23,200
pictures of some things and and he

2197
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:25,600
actually him in this this other his

2198
01:57:29,370 --> 01:57:27,730
colleague had camped up there overnight

2199
01:57:31,470 --> 01:57:29,380
or camped near there overnight

2200
01:57:34,020 --> 01:57:31,480
I believe they slept in a vehicle or

2201
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:34,030
something but anyways they spent the

2202
01:57:37,860 --> 01:57:35,290
night and they took some videos that

2203
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:37,870
were really out really I mean I looked

2204
01:57:43,290 --> 01:57:40,000
at these videos I couldn't explain them

2205
01:57:44,940 --> 01:57:43,300
and wow this is really neat so anyways I

2206
01:57:47,700 --> 01:57:44,950
said the flies what picked me up there

2207
01:57:49,590 --> 01:57:47,710
sometimes so we did we went up there we

2208
01:57:52,500 --> 01:57:49,600
sat around we looked around we didn't

2209
01:57:54,750 --> 01:57:52,510
and we drove around didn't really see

2210
01:57:59,520 --> 01:57:54,760
much but he pointed out where everything

2211
01:58:01,200 --> 01:57:59,530
was that well a week or so later we went

2212
01:58:01,839 --> 01:58:01,210
up there and we we went up there so we

2213
01:58:04,529 --> 01:58:01,849
were beat

2214
01:58:07,179 --> 01:58:04,539
be up there at night and then we saw

2215
01:58:09,790 --> 01:58:07,189
helicopters we saw helicopters we saw

2216
01:58:11,439 --> 01:58:09,800
these strange lights up there and I

2217
01:58:14,770 --> 01:58:11,449
started wondering what the heck was this

2218
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:14,780
stuff so when when we got back I said

2219
01:58:19,299 --> 01:58:17,090
the Paul I said we you know I don't know

2220
01:58:21,969 --> 01:58:19,309
what that is Paul III said but those

2221
01:58:24,279 --> 01:58:21,979
helicopters were were vietnam-era

2222
01:58:27,790 --> 01:58:24,289
helicopters I mean I know that they were

2223
01:58:30,219 --> 01:58:27,800
Huey's er I said but and then there were

2224
01:58:32,770 --> 01:58:30,229
some I don't I couldn't recognise so I

2225
01:58:34,899 --> 01:58:32,780
said but I don't know about those those

2226
01:58:36,009 --> 01:58:34,909
strange lights and those strange beings

2227
01:58:40,389 --> 01:58:36,019
I don't know what they were

2228
01:58:43,629 --> 01:58:40,399
well I went up to Fort Carson Colorado a

2229
01:58:46,449 --> 01:58:43,639
few weeks later and met with a special

2230
01:58:49,330 --> 01:58:46,459
forces unit up there and found out that

2231
01:58:54,279 --> 01:58:49,340
they used that area for military

2232
01:58:56,259 --> 01:58:54,289
operations and I asked one of the pilots

2233
01:58:59,799 --> 01:58:56,269
but actually the commander he was also

2234
01:59:02,709 --> 01:58:59,809
that one of the senior pilots about

2235
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:02,719
these strange lights or strange beams he

2236
01:59:08,859 --> 01:59:06,249
said well he said we have lights

2237
01:59:11,259 --> 01:59:08,869
underground I mean we have these lights

2238
01:59:13,569 --> 01:59:11,269
there in the building the ground that

2239
01:59:16,270 --> 01:59:13,579
was shine up and they simulated

2240
01:59:19,029 --> 01:59:16,280
different things for the helicopter

2241
01:59:21,250 --> 01:59:19,039
pilots he said so we turned them on when

2242
01:59:23,229 --> 01:59:21,260
Paul captured pilots are coming in he

2243
01:59:24,819 --> 01:59:23,239
said so I can just imagine how strange

2244
01:59:27,369 --> 01:59:24,829
they would look if somebody was down on

2245
01:59:29,799 --> 01:59:27,379
the mod of the mountain looking up so

2246
01:59:33,009 --> 01:59:29,809
that explained to me what they were but

2247
01:59:35,020 --> 01:59:33,019
I never told Paulie and and and Paul

2248
01:59:36,669 --> 01:59:35,030
would would always tell people that

2249
01:59:39,779 --> 01:59:36,679
there was an underground base in

2250
01:59:43,299 --> 01:59:39,789
archuleta I never told him there was and

2251
01:59:44,979 --> 01:59:43,309
I didn't I didn't ever support that

2252
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:44,989
because it really wasn't in the

2253
01:59:49,929 --> 01:59:48,050
operational plan I mean that that was

2254
01:59:51,369 --> 01:59:49,939
just something that he he wanted to

2255
01:59:53,139 --> 01:59:51,379
believe in and would let him know if he

2256
01:59:57,399 --> 01:59:53,149
wants to believe in it he believed in it

2257
01:59:59,080 --> 01:59:57,409
but and well Richard I never told him

2258
02:00:01,569 --> 01:59:59,090
there was a big right but you didn't

2259
02:00:03,009 --> 02:00:01,579
tell him that there wasn't a base no I

2260
02:00:05,169 --> 02:00:03,019
that's right I didn't tell him there

2261
02:00:08,830 --> 02:00:05,179
wasn't a base did he seem at that time

2262
02:00:13,179 --> 02:00:08,840
did he seem stable and wouldn't it have

2263
02:00:14,770 --> 02:00:13,189
maybe again hindsight right but to to

2264
02:00:16,569 --> 02:00:14,780
maybe not

2265
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:16,579
with them at all and maybe come clean on

2266
02:00:20,109 --> 02:00:18,050
that and tell him that you know these

2267
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:20,119
are special operations forces up there

2268
02:00:24,310 --> 02:00:22,130
and I thought it was something strange

2269
02:00:26,049 --> 02:00:24,320
so I went it out for myself I spoke to

2270
02:00:29,799 --> 02:00:26,059
them and this is actually what's going

2271
02:00:34,060 --> 02:00:29,809
on well he knew I went to Fort Carson

2272
02:00:35,229 --> 02:00:34,070
because I told him that and but he he

2273
02:00:38,910 --> 02:00:35,239
was under the impression that the

2274
02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:38,920
government and I don't have enough time

2275
02:00:45,790 --> 02:00:42,170
here I would take hours and hours to

2276
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:45,800
explain to you sure la pau told me and

2277
02:00:52,180 --> 02:00:48,530
what he thought he knew and so it was

2278
02:00:53,890 --> 02:00:52,190
very difficult for me to convince try to

2279
02:00:58,290 --> 02:00:53,900
convince him otherwise so I never did

2280
02:01:00,040 --> 02:00:58,300
Paul would would spend 30 minutes

2281
02:01:03,729 --> 02:01:00,050
talking to me without me

2282
02:01:07,330 --> 02:01:03,739
ever saying a word he was conveying to

2283
02:01:10,359 --> 02:01:07,340
convince me that what he was saying was

2284
02:01:14,410 --> 02:01:10,369
in fact extraterrestrial and he would go

2285
02:01:16,810 --> 02:01:14,420
on and on and on and on and and I

2286
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:16,820
wouldn't get a word in edgewise and I

2287
02:01:22,029 --> 02:01:18,530
finally would say to him you know I make

2288
02:01:24,669 --> 02:01:22,039
the time outside I say Paul timeout I'm

2289
02:01:27,700 --> 02:01:24,679
gonna have to step in here say a few

2290
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:27,710
words and at times I would try to

2291
02:01:33,189 --> 02:01:31,250
convince him to stream back onto what we

2292
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:33,199
wanted him and and he wouldn't he would

2293
02:01:38,830 --> 02:01:35,570
get off the subject and then years later

2294
02:01:41,890 --> 02:01:38,840
I mean I was I was friends with Paul

2295
02:01:44,589 --> 02:01:41,900
right up until he passed away he was my

2296
02:01:47,740 --> 02:01:44,599
friend he would call me he would invite

2297
02:01:49,450 --> 02:01:47,750
me over to his house my wife and it went

2298
02:01:53,410 --> 02:01:49,460
over there we had dinner a number of

2299
02:01:56,589 --> 02:01:53,420
times without the dinner and and at

2300
02:01:59,799 --> 02:01:56,599
those times I tried I tried my darkness

2301
02:02:01,510 --> 02:01:59,809
to convince Paul that it was but he was

2302
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:01,520
saying was my extraterrestrial I never

2303
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:04,130
told him it was you know what the the

2304
02:02:09,959 --> 02:02:06,770
the classified project was but I told

2305
02:02:12,549 --> 02:02:09,969
him Paul you didn't see you didn't see a

2306
02:02:14,500 --> 02:02:12,559
extraterrestrials what you're seeing on

2307
02:02:16,319 --> 02:02:14,510
that computer screen isn't actually a

2308
02:02:19,540 --> 02:02:16,329
trust or talking to you anybody he

2309
02:02:22,390 --> 02:02:19,550
couldn't be he wouldn't listen to me and

2310
02:02:24,910 --> 02:02:22,400
he had a computer screen you know I

2311
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:24,920
think it was a Commodore or I think they

2312
02:02:28,449 --> 02:02:26,090
would call Commodore is back then

2313
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:28,459
anyways he had a screen he had it

2314
02:02:33,370 --> 02:02:31,010
rigged up and he had all these antennas

2315
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:33,380
on his roof and he had it he had

2316
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:36,170
actually a small microwave actually he

2317
02:02:40,810 --> 02:02:39,050
we actually had the FCC came and they

2318
02:02:43,029 --> 02:02:40,820
didn't get a license for it but anyways

2319
02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:43,039
yeah little but a small portable

2320
02:02:48,969 --> 02:02:46,249
microwave on his roof and he would look

2321
02:02:51,219 --> 02:02:48,979
at the screen and it would be images on

2322
02:02:53,410 --> 02:02:51,229
the screen but it certainly more wasn't

2323
02:02:55,719 --> 02:02:53,420
of an alien but he was convinced that

2324
02:02:58,569 --> 02:02:55,729
was and I would actually tell him I

2325
02:03:00,339 --> 02:02:58,579
don't see anything he said I see it and

2326
02:03:02,529 --> 02:03:00,349
I can hear him and he had these

2327
02:03:04,149 --> 02:03:02,539
earphones that he would put on and he

2328
02:03:06,489 --> 02:03:04,159
said I came here I'm talking they said

2329
02:03:07,899 --> 02:03:06,499
what language are they speaking he said

2330
02:03:09,279 --> 02:03:07,909
they're speaking their language

2331
02:03:11,020 --> 02:03:09,289
I said well you don't understand their

2332
02:03:13,089 --> 02:03:11,030
language do you bah you should know but

2333
02:03:18,299 --> 02:03:13,099
I know that it's an intelligent language

2334
02:03:23,290 --> 02:03:18,309
and he wrote a whole gosh probably a

2335
02:03:25,959 --> 02:03:23,300
hundred page document that were typed

2336
02:03:29,410 --> 02:03:25,969
that was typed about the alien language

2337
02:03:31,689 --> 02:03:29,420
he wrote and he gave it to us when he

2338
02:03:34,810 --> 02:03:31,699
came out the kirtland to present give

2339
02:03:37,689 --> 02:03:34,820
his presentation to all these generals

2340
02:03:40,540 --> 02:03:37,699
he presented them with that and plus all

2341
02:03:43,689 --> 02:03:40,550
these other documents that he created to

2342
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:43,699
convince try to convince them that the

2343
02:03:49,149 --> 02:03:46,010
Kirtland Air Force Base was in danger of

2344
02:03:51,729 --> 02:03:49,159
an alien invasion what does the Air

2345
02:03:53,140 --> 02:03:51,739
Force know what is it that they are not

2346
02:03:57,750 --> 02:03:53,150
telling it's not about Paul bennewitz

2347
02:04:01,719 --> 02:03:57,760
about the UFO question what do they know

2348
02:04:07,689 --> 02:04:01,729
well I know what I was briefed on and in

2349
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:07,699
1979 and I'm convinced I have no reason

2350
02:04:13,839 --> 02:04:11,119
to think otherwise or to believe

2351
02:04:16,199 --> 02:04:13,849
otherwise that that we had been visited

2352
02:04:18,549 --> 02:04:16,209
we have been visited Roswell was real

2353
02:04:21,759 --> 02:04:18,559
there were other crash sites that were

2354
02:04:23,439 --> 02:04:21,769
real and the Air Force knows the

2355
02:04:25,270 --> 02:04:23,449
government knows not just the Air Force

2356
02:04:29,020 --> 02:04:25,280
but the whole government knows and they

2357
02:04:33,759 --> 02:04:29,030
have known and and so what I was briefed

2358
02:04:36,429 --> 02:04:33,769
on was what occurred in the late forties

2359
02:04:40,270 --> 02:04:36,439
and fifties now what has happened since

2360
02:04:42,130 --> 02:04:40,280
I got I left the the intelligence

2361
02:04:44,440 --> 02:04:42,140
community in 1988 so I

2362
02:04:47,290 --> 02:04:44,450
I don't know what I know a lot of people

2363
02:04:49,330 --> 02:04:47,300
claimed I I'm still involved and they

2364
02:04:50,860 --> 02:04:49,340
know that somebody got my records and

2365
02:04:54,040 --> 02:04:50,870
found that I was recalled to active duty

2366
02:05:00,450 --> 02:04:54,050
back in 1983-84 I was but it wasn't it

2367
02:05:04,380 --> 02:05:00,460
am making do with UFOs so I I can't say

2368
02:05:07,330 --> 02:05:04,390
it what it was didn't surprise me of the

2369
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:07,340
the the release by the Air Force and

2370
02:05:12,340 --> 02:05:09,890
admission that they had been that of

2371
02:05:17,350 --> 02:05:12,350
this project that they had for a number

2372
02:05:20,110 --> 02:05:17,360
of years that will started I mean that's

2373
02:05:22,300 --> 02:05:20,120
the that's the unclassified portion of

2374
02:05:25,930 --> 02:05:22,310
it I'm I'm convinced and I have still

2375
02:05:28,380 --> 02:05:25,940
friends that are involved I'm convinced

2376
02:05:30,430 --> 02:05:28,390
that the Air Force still is

2377
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:30,440
investigating these things and they're

2378
02:05:37,150 --> 02:05:35,450
still involved in this project how did

2379
02:05:39,940 --> 02:05:37,160
the briefing when you say that you were

2380
02:05:41,710 --> 02:05:39,950
briefed on Roswell in other crashes how

2381
02:05:44,620 --> 02:05:41,720
does that happen where you shown

2382
02:05:50,110 --> 02:05:44,630
documents and photographs or was it

2383
02:05:53,770 --> 02:05:50,120
verbatim no there's a I think there were

2384
02:05:57,790 --> 02:05:53,780
20 some of us in the room it's a special

2385
02:06:00,970 --> 02:05:57,800
is called a Air Force Special Security

2386
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:00,980
office that you briefed in it's code

2387
02:06:07,270 --> 02:06:04,250
word yeah they have special clearances

2388
02:06:11,500 --> 02:06:07,280
to do to get into this program it's a

2389
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:11,510
it's a briefing video or a film it's

2390
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:13,760
back in those days it was like a I don't

2391
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:15,410
know whatever 16 millimeter or whatever

2392
02:06:21,250 --> 02:06:17,810
they were that he used it was a film a

2393
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:21,260
film briefing intelligence people on

2394
02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:26,690
this subject and they showed old films

2395
02:06:32,050 --> 02:06:29,210
of the recovery of their Roswell craft

2396
02:06:35,160 --> 02:06:32,060
the two crash is a one at Corona New

2397
02:06:41,950 --> 02:06:35,170
Mexico and the one at Magdalena that

2398
02:06:44,020 --> 02:06:41,960
horse Mesa and what the air for what it

2399
02:06:46,270 --> 02:06:44,030
is in it was in the prison document

2400
02:06:49,420 --> 02:06:46,280
there's two there was two aliens crashed

2401
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:49,430
the crash that crashed that collided in

2402
02:06:54,820 --> 02:06:50,930
there and then crashed at two different

2403
02:06:55,930 --> 02:06:54,830
locations one in Corona not laswell's

2404
02:06:59,620 --> 02:06:55,940
north of Roz

2405
02:07:04,410 --> 02:06:59,630
but near Cronus south-southeast Crona

2406
02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:04,420
and then one the other craft crashed

2407
02:07:11,050 --> 02:07:08,690
north south west of Magdalena New Mexico

2408
02:07:14,770 --> 02:07:11,060
that craft what that crash site wasn't

2409
02:07:18,430 --> 02:07:14,780
found to 1949 the crash site near Corona

2410
02:07:22,180 --> 02:07:18,440
was found in in 47 Brunt in the summer

2411
02:07:24,430 --> 02:07:22,190
47 and there was one live alien that was

2412
02:07:27,550 --> 02:07:24,440
found in the craft the crash site in

2413
02:07:33,490 --> 02:07:27,560
Corona the one in 49 we found bodies but

2414
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:33,500
they were they were decayed horribly so

2415
02:07:41,500 --> 02:07:36,770
but but the crafts were similar in

2416
02:07:43,330 --> 02:07:41,510
nature and so and and over during the

2417
02:07:45,450 --> 02:07:43,340
investigation process back in those days

2418
02:07:47,620 --> 02:07:45,460
they disfigured that these two graphs

2419
02:07:49,570 --> 02:07:47,630
collided and I think it was an

2420
02:07:52,420 --> 02:07:49,580
electrical storm and then I know Los

2421
02:07:54,700 --> 02:07:52,430
Alamos was involved in this and I think

2422
02:07:56,800 --> 02:07:54,710
one of the scientists figured it

2423
02:07:59,380 --> 02:07:56,810
probably was some kind of electrical

2424
02:08:02,830 --> 02:07:59,390
storm that that caused it anyways and

2425
02:08:05,530 --> 02:08:02,840
and then the briefing and then there's a

2426
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:05,540
colonel that gave this briefing anyone

2427
02:08:10,090 --> 02:08:07,130
on to reiterate a lot of different

2428
02:08:12,300 --> 02:08:10,100
things and how the the government was

2429
02:08:15,250 --> 02:08:12,310
still investigating these things and and

2430
02:08:16,979 --> 02:08:15,260
that there was possibly the possibility

2431
02:08:21,310 --> 02:08:16,989
that there were extraterrestrials

2432
02:08:22,780 --> 02:08:21,320
visiting earth that that we the

2433
02:08:25,959 --> 02:08:22,790
government didn't know about but they

2434
02:08:29,260 --> 02:08:25,969
wanted to keep track up and when Reagan

2435
02:08:31,209 --> 02:08:29,270
became president reagan was briefed on

2436
02:08:34,590 --> 02:08:31,219
an incident and I don't know the full

2437
02:08:40,330 --> 02:08:34,600
details of it that has occurred in

2438
02:08:43,060 --> 02:08:40,340
around Washington DC and that the craft

2439
02:08:45,100 --> 02:08:43,070
was landed and and and I don't think

2440
02:08:48,160 --> 02:08:45,110
this was ever has ever been disclosed by

2441
02:08:51,820 --> 02:08:48,170
anybody but and it was I think it was an

2442
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:51,830
82 a lot of part of 81 anyways that

2443
02:08:56,020 --> 02:08:54,050
scared the government that's scary the

2444
02:08:59,979 --> 02:08:56,030
Air Force let's give it a CIA has scared

2445
02:09:03,790 --> 02:08:59,989
FBI and it scared Reagan and Reagan then

2446
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:03,800
started another program to try to keep

2447
02:09:09,700 --> 02:09:07,130
track and and and try to develop some

2448
02:09:13,540 --> 02:09:09,710
kind of a system the key

2449
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:13,550
track of everything that entered Earth's

2450
02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:18,410
orbit and that was part of the Strategic

2451
02:09:24,540 --> 02:09:22,250
Defense Initiative right did you that's

2452
02:09:27,580 --> 02:09:24,550
fascinating stuff and I had never heard

2453
02:09:29,650 --> 02:09:27,590
heard that before

2454
02:09:34,770 --> 02:09:29,660
and neither has the audience I'm sure

2455
02:09:39,260 --> 02:09:34,780
that this those comments will be

2456
02:09:42,630 --> 02:09:39,270
circulating tomorrow around the internet

2457
02:09:50,830 --> 02:09:42,640
[Laughter]

2458
02:09:53,890 --> 02:09:50,840
okay a couple of other things when the

2459
02:09:56,890 --> 02:09:53,900
this this thing that happened a couple

2460
02:10:00,250 --> 02:09:56,900
of months ago now it's December 16th

2461
02:10:06,160 --> 02:10:00,260
with that disclosure that went into the

2462
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:06,170
media is is that part of it is that

2463
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:07,610
something that the Air Force would be

2464
02:10:12,760 --> 02:10:10,130
involved in in in that type of

2465
02:10:15,370 --> 02:10:12,770
disclosure with the with the gun camera

2466
02:10:18,070 --> 02:10:15,380
footage from the Navy you know this is

2467
02:10:20,680 --> 02:10:18,080
the pentagon program that apparently was

2468
02:10:22,450 --> 02:10:20,690
running that nobody knew about Senator

2469
02:10:26,140 --> 02:10:22,460
Harry we're you know you know everything

2470
02:10:32,980 --> 02:10:26,150
about the or airy read I'm sorry is that

2471
02:10:38,590 --> 02:10:32,990
is that part of disinfo no I don't think

2472
02:10:41,590 --> 02:10:38,600
so I think that's probably somebody as

2473
02:10:44,140 --> 02:10:41,600
an office up there that is trying to get

2474
02:10:45,970 --> 02:10:44,150
out and getting the truth out and a

2475
02:10:49,390 --> 02:10:45,980
disclosure out and I'm all for

2476
02:10:51,490 --> 02:10:49,400
disclosures I've tried and in a number

2477
02:10:53,230 --> 02:10:51,500
of times and and you know people say

2478
02:10:54,520 --> 02:10:53,240
well you disinformation I can't we can't

2479
02:10:55,960 --> 02:10:54,530
believe anything you say well you know

2480
02:10:58,770 --> 02:10:55,970
what you can't believe what I say

2481
02:11:01,360 --> 02:10:58,780
because I did my job back in those days

2482
02:11:05,500 --> 02:11:01,370
but I don't I'm not I'm not with the

2483
02:11:08,710 --> 02:11:05,510
government anymore are they are they are

2484
02:11:10,900 --> 02:11:08,720
they are you being paid by them to be on

2485
02:11:13,540 --> 02:11:10,910
to call into this show and surprise me

2486
02:11:20,140 --> 02:11:13,550
tonight no absolutely not

2487
02:11:22,859 --> 02:11:20,150
okay well you know they're not paid by

2488
02:11:24,209 --> 02:11:22,869
the government okay anyway

2489
02:11:27,149 --> 02:11:24,219
you know they're saying this right now

2490
02:11:29,759 --> 02:11:27,159
out there they're going you know I know

2491
02:11:32,699 --> 02:11:29,769
I know he can't convince people you know

2492
02:11:34,949 --> 02:11:32,709
the class once told me at a UFO

2493
02:11:36,750 --> 02:11:34,959
convention some years ago and I had a

2494
02:11:40,259 --> 02:11:36,760
pretty good relationship with even

2495
02:11:42,989 --> 02:11:40,269
though I call him the names and and and

2496
02:11:45,389 --> 02:11:42,999
threatened to be this but if he was was

2497
02:11:47,729 --> 02:11:45,399
a little younger but I mean and joke in

2498
02:11:49,589 --> 02:11:47,739
a joking manner but Phil told me he said

2499
02:11:51,929 --> 02:11:49,599
you know what I don't have to do

2500
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:51,939
anything I have just sit here the UFO

2501
02:11:56,479 --> 02:11:54,010
community does more harm to themselves

2502
02:12:00,060 --> 02:11:56,489
and I could ever do and that's the truth

2503
02:12:05,639 --> 02:12:00,070
well well and which which takes me to

2504
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:05,649
this so let's back up a has there been

2505
02:12:11,909 --> 02:12:09,280
an active disinfo campaign going on

2506
02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:11,919
inside of the UFO community with other

2507
02:12:19,069 --> 02:12:14,169
researchers and conferences and

2508
02:12:22,949 --> 02:12:19,079
conventions around the country not not

2509
02:12:25,949 --> 02:12:22,959
disinformation but what we did do and I

2510
02:12:28,469 --> 02:12:25,959
was involved in this was that we planted

2511
02:12:32,369 --> 02:12:28,479
or we co-opted people that were already

2512
02:12:36,779 --> 02:12:32,379
involved in the UFO community such as

2513
02:12:40,229 --> 02:12:36,789
Bill Moore you know that's Robin okay

2514
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:40,239
we co-opted them to report on activities

2515
02:12:45,929 --> 02:12:42,610
that are occurring within you will hug

2516
02:12:47,909 --> 02:12:45,939
you groups April which was you know way

2517
02:12:50,429 --> 02:12:47,919
back yeah you know you know that and

2518
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:50,439
MUFON and some of these other other

2519
02:12:57,569 --> 02:12:54,010
groups we would just sometimes pay

2520
02:13:00,659 --> 02:12:57,579
people to report to us what the what the

2521
02:13:04,459 --> 02:13:00,669
UFO group was collecting we never ever

2522
02:13:07,709 --> 02:13:04,469
in fact we were absolutely prohibited

2523
02:13:10,709 --> 02:13:07,719
from providing information to these

2524
02:13:14,819 --> 02:13:10,719
groups all we wanted to do was for them

2525
02:13:16,859 --> 02:13:14,829
to report back to us and and we did did

2526
02:13:19,189 --> 02:13:16,869
Bill Moore know from the get-go that

2527
02:13:25,830 --> 02:13:19,199
that's what was going on

2528
02:13:28,409 --> 02:13:25,840
no bill bill Moore was recruited he was

2529
02:13:32,989 --> 02:13:28,419
involved in something entirely unrelated

2530
02:13:35,459 --> 02:13:32,999
to UFOs bill Moore had a contact that

2531
02:13:36,509 --> 02:13:35,469
was the first of all bill Moore spoke

2532
02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:36,519
Russian

2533
02:13:45,229 --> 02:13:39,610
and he learned it in school and he had a

2534
02:13:49,560 --> 02:13:45,239
copy at contacts with Soviet researchers

2535
02:13:51,839 --> 02:13:49,570
legitimate UFO Soviet researchers he had

2536
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:51,849
a pen pal or he call it a pen pal but he

2537
02:13:56,970 --> 02:13:53,730
had a contact with somebody inside

2538
02:14:00,089 --> 02:13:56,980
Moscow and inside some Union side mosque

2539
02:14:03,419 --> 02:14:00,099
in Moscow who who they correspond with

2540
02:14:06,450 --> 02:14:03,429
back and forth well we we knew about

2541
02:14:10,489 --> 02:14:06,460
that and when we approached bill we

2542
02:14:14,520 --> 02:14:10,499
wanted him to report to us what this

2543
02:14:19,410 --> 02:14:14,530
scientist was saying and expanding that

2544
02:14:22,589 --> 02:14:19,420
to to allow us to make contact with this

2545
02:14:25,950 --> 02:14:22,599
person the CIA made contact that that

2546
02:14:29,310 --> 02:14:25,960
person inside the Soviet Union which

2547
02:14:32,310 --> 02:14:29,320
which began an operation and we that was

2548
02:14:37,770 --> 02:14:32,320
very successful and during this time

2549
02:14:42,989 --> 02:14:37,780
period you know course bill had a number

2550
02:14:45,450 --> 02:14:42,999
of contacts and within a pro and MUFON

2551
02:14:46,020 --> 02:14:45,460
and some other agent some of the UFO

2552
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:46,030
community

2553
02:14:52,020 --> 02:14:49,119
right because of the the book he wrote

2554
02:14:56,879 --> 02:14:52,030
on the Philadelphia Experiment and then

2555
02:15:00,600 --> 02:14:56,889
Roswell with whose to get a Berlitz yeah

2556
02:15:03,870 --> 02:15:00,610
yeah and so so we were interested and we

2557
02:15:06,089 --> 02:15:03,880
that was this kind of a second thought

2558
02:15:08,910 --> 02:15:06,099
by our supervisors of one we get him

2559
02:15:11,100 --> 02:15:08,920
involved and get death him reporting but

2560
02:15:14,100 --> 02:15:11,110
you know on what they're doing with in

2561
02:15:18,629 --> 02:15:14,110
empro and so he did because bill had a

2562
02:15:21,149 --> 02:15:18,639
lot of access to Apple and and and

2563
02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:21,159
another person that was very very very

2564
02:15:28,200 --> 02:15:25,090
cooperative with us he wasn't my asset I

2565
02:15:32,700 --> 02:15:28,210
didn't recruit him but somebody down in

2566
02:15:34,290 --> 02:15:32,710
in Arizona out of davis-monthan Air

2567
02:15:35,930 --> 02:15:34,300
Force Base when the AUSA agents down

2568
02:15:40,100 --> 02:15:35,940
there recruited and was window Stevens

2569
02:15:44,509 --> 02:15:40,110
no window what yeah absolutely Lena was

2570
02:15:48,029 --> 02:15:44,519
window would at at the UFO conventions

2571
02:15:50,339 --> 02:15:48,039
window would invite certain people up to

2572
02:15:53,250 --> 02:15:50,349
his room and show us things

2573
02:15:56,639 --> 02:15:53,260
but he had gotten from he wouldn't tell

2574
02:15:59,099 --> 02:15:56,649
us who or some footage of something that

2575
02:16:01,889 --> 02:15:59,109
he had gotten from somebody would never

2576
02:16:03,869 --> 02:16:01,899
ever tell us and I don't know that that

2577
02:16:05,639 --> 02:16:03,879
maybe OSI knew about it because he was

2578
02:16:08,219 --> 02:16:05,649
being handled by somebody down in

2579
02:16:13,500 --> 02:16:08,229
Arizona and I didn't have privy to that

2580
02:16:16,770 --> 02:16:13,510
information because it pretty closely

2581
02:16:21,209 --> 02:16:16,780
guarded its compartmented but he would

2582
02:16:22,949 --> 02:16:21,219
always show us things and and we I walk

2583
02:16:23,879 --> 02:16:22,959
away scratching my head like where'd he

2584
02:16:26,969 --> 02:16:23,889
get the Hat

2585
02:16:29,790 --> 02:16:26,979
but but Linda was I mean I could name

2586
02:16:34,019 --> 02:16:29,800
some others but but they were they were

2587
02:16:36,299 --> 02:16:34,029
oh and we call him cooperate cooperating

2588
02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:36,309
people somebody would cooperate with us

2589
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:39,369
they might not have given us everything

2590
02:16:45,139 --> 02:16:43,210
we wanted but and I think window had

2591
02:16:48,179 --> 02:16:45,149
been had of course been in the Air Force

2592
02:16:50,939 --> 02:16:48,189
and-and-and-and window was he could

2593
02:16:53,099 --> 02:16:50,949
relate to him as being you know a former

2594
02:16:55,859 --> 02:16:53,109
blue Souter because he was Air Force

2595
02:17:02,729 --> 02:16:55,869
right and he would you know he would be

2596
02:17:05,399 --> 02:17:02,739
more forthcoming let's get back to

2597
02:17:07,410 --> 02:17:05,409
wendell stevens in in just a bit let's

2598
02:17:09,479 --> 02:17:07,420
get let's go back to Bill Moore for a

2599
02:17:14,939 --> 02:17:09,489
second

2600
02:17:17,939 --> 02:17:14,949
did the mj-12 documents did you supply

2601
02:17:19,799 --> 02:17:17,949
those to Bill Moore absolutely not

2602
02:17:23,250 --> 02:17:19,809
where did he give me that work that's

2603
02:17:24,450 --> 02:17:23,260
been proven and and and disproven by I

2604
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:24,460
mean I went through two FBI

2605
02:17:31,709 --> 02:17:28,000
investigations on that crap and III take

2606
02:17:36,799 --> 02:17:31,719
two polygraphs it I didn't do it I don't

2607
02:17:41,849 --> 02:17:36,809
know who did I I had my suspicions but I

2608
02:17:46,500 --> 02:17:41,859
can't prove it and I don't know that the

2609
02:17:51,929 --> 02:17:46,510
government knows but but I didn't bill

2610
02:17:54,570 --> 02:17:51,939
brought it brought him to me and I told

2611
02:17:57,809 --> 02:17:54,580
bill when I when he brought him to me I

2612
02:18:00,839 --> 02:17:57,819
said bill I don't I won't gave these to

2613
02:18:03,479 --> 02:18:00,849
he he said I can't tell you that well

2614
02:18:04,400 --> 02:18:03,489
shortly after this this Jamie Shand era

2615
02:18:06,350 --> 02:18:04,410
show

2616
02:18:08,780 --> 02:18:06,360
right and I never I'd never met him I

2617
02:18:12,020 --> 02:18:08,790
had anything to do with him

2618
02:18:15,410 --> 02:18:12,030
well Jamie had a lot of contacts within

2619
02:18:18,500 --> 02:18:15,420
dia get names he would drop names of

2620
02:18:22,010 --> 02:18:18,510
people who I knew I wouldn't I wouldn't

2621
02:18:23,660 --> 02:18:22,020
acknowledge that I knew him to Jamie but

2622
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:23,670
he would he would start naming these

2623
02:18:27,140 --> 02:18:25,290
people and I thought well how did you

2624
02:18:30,040 --> 02:18:27,150
know and I started thinking maybe he's

2625
02:18:32,930 --> 02:18:30,050
an asset or maybe he's an agent

2626
02:18:41,630 --> 02:18:32,940
Jamie's and era the TV producer yeah

2627
02:18:43,460 --> 02:18:41,640
yeah he looked as set ish know and I've

2628
02:18:46,280 --> 02:18:43,470
tried to chase him down you know we live

2629
02:18:48,350 --> 02:18:46,290
in broadcast out of Burbank and that

2630
02:18:50,360 --> 02:18:48,360
that was him and bill Moore's

2631
02:18:54,170 --> 02:18:50,370
headquarters for a number of years was

2632
02:18:56,540 --> 02:18:54,180
right here yeah but I don't I don't know

2633
02:18:59,480 --> 02:18:56,550
if he's still alive I can't find any

2634
02:19:01,550 --> 02:18:59,490
record home I would love to talk to he's

2635
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:01,560
got to be getting up there in years he

2636
02:19:14,030 --> 02:19:04,080
would be probably in his mid-80s I would

2637
02:19:18,470 --> 02:19:14,040
think well in 2006 2005 no 2006 he was

2638
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:18,480
alive he showed up at the that when they

2639
02:19:25,520 --> 02:19:20,250
still had a UFO conventions in Laughlin

2640
02:19:27,530 --> 02:19:25,530
he showed up there with Bill Ryan and I

2641
02:19:29,720 --> 02:19:27,540
can't think of Bill Lyons girlfriend's

2642
02:19:32,350 --> 02:19:29,730
name but I don't know if you know them

2643
02:19:34,370 --> 02:19:32,360
but anyways Terry Hannity Kerry Cassidy

2644
02:19:36,860 --> 02:19:34,380
yeah there we go

2645
02:19:41,210 --> 02:19:36,870
she's a she's a character she's a

2646
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:41,220
character but anyway anyways he showed

2647
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:45,930
up and I knew I may just look at him and

2648
02:19:53,690 --> 02:19:48,960
tell that he was on some kind of either

2649
02:19:56,511 --> 02:19:53,700
prescription drug or illegal drugs he he

2650
02:20:00,140 --> 02:19:56,521
just he would Branton about things that

2651
02:20:02,270 --> 02:20:00,150
happened to him he had marks on his body

2652
02:20:05,650 --> 02:20:02,280
where he claimed that he'd been on a

2653
02:20:09,080 --> 02:20:05,660
beach at some beach in California and

2654
02:20:11,660 --> 02:20:09,090
Navy SEALs landed and took him in a

2655
02:20:14,450 --> 02:20:11,670
helicopter and took him to a corner on

2656
02:20:17,780 --> 02:20:14,460
Coronado Island and put him in a brig

2657
02:20:21,080 --> 02:20:17,790
and beat him because he saw

2658
02:20:23,150 --> 02:20:21,090
them training aliens and so I mean

2659
02:20:25,220 --> 02:20:23,160
that's that's just one of his many many

2660
02:20:26,780 --> 02:20:25,230
stories that he would tell but that was

2661
02:20:28,880 --> 02:20:26,790
the last time I saw him so I had I have

2662
02:20:32,780 --> 02:20:28,890
no idea where Jamie would be now today

2663
02:20:35,030 --> 02:20:32,790
now bill more for four would seem like

2664
02:20:38,180 --> 02:20:35,040
forever going around to all the

2665
02:20:38,600 --> 02:20:38,190
conferences and the radio shows and next

2666
02:20:41,210 --> 02:20:38,610
week

2667
02:20:43,220 --> 02:20:41,220
just wait I've got a new document I've

2668
02:20:45,560 --> 02:20:43,230
got a new letter I've got a new official

2669
02:20:49,130 --> 02:20:45,570
Air Force this I've got this and I'm

2670
02:20:51,170 --> 02:20:49,140
going forward and it was a weekly or

2671
02:20:54,261 --> 02:20:51,180
monthly thing with Bill Moore did you

2672
02:20:56,360 --> 02:20:54,271
supply him with those letters and

2673
02:21:00,590 --> 02:20:56,370
documents that he kept bringing forward

2674
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:00,600
no what was he getting them from I you

2675
02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:02,730
know what Bill did his own thing he had

2676
02:21:11,960 --> 02:21:08,730
his own contacts and Bill was on his own

2677
02:21:13,730 --> 02:21:11,970
there's a lot of times he was good he

2678
02:21:17,690 --> 02:21:13,740
called me once and told me he was going

2679
02:21:21,261 --> 02:21:17,700
to do it I'm not sure if it was a

2680
02:21:23,930 --> 02:21:21,271
television or radio show a pentacle was

2681
02:21:26,780 --> 02:21:23,940
in Seattle and that's when his car was

2682
02:21:28,970 --> 02:21:26,790
broken into and there was a number of

2683
02:21:32,810 --> 02:21:28,980
documents stolen out of his briefcase

2684
02:21:34,220 --> 02:21:32,820
and he called me and told me about this

2685
02:21:36,290 --> 02:21:34,230
incident and I said bill what the heck

2686
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:36,300
are you doing running around that kind

2687
02:21:40,190 --> 02:21:38,640
of documents are they and he told me he

2688
02:21:42,290 --> 02:21:40,200
said well the documents that were given

2689
02:21:43,790 --> 02:21:42,300
to me by some other people I said who by

2690
02:21:45,830 --> 02:21:43,800
who he said oh I can't tell you that

2691
02:21:48,530 --> 02:21:45,840
it's a bill you running around doing

2692
02:21:50,210 --> 02:21:48,540
this stuff I I suggest you not do it

2693
02:21:54,050 --> 02:21:50,220
don't do it anymore

2694
02:22:00,710 --> 02:21:54,060
what he still did it so and and later on

2695
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:00,720
I think probably after 86 I just broke

2696
02:22:07,730 --> 02:22:03,930
off contact with him I didn't actually

2697
02:22:11,740 --> 02:22:07,740
terminate him as a asset on paper but I

2698
02:22:16,310 --> 02:22:11,750
just didn't i listed him as a

2699
02:22:19,880 --> 02:22:16,320
non-cooperative asset so I didn't really

2700
02:22:21,380 --> 02:22:19,890
believe or that collect information that

2701
02:22:23,480 --> 02:22:21,390
he was supplying and I don't think he'd

2702
02:22:30,859 --> 02:22:23,490
supplied much after that what did you

2703
02:22:36,359 --> 02:22:33,870
as an asset he's in the UFO community

2704
02:22:40,200 --> 02:22:36,369
he's an author he's a researcher he's a

2705
02:22:43,019 --> 02:22:40,210
public speaker and doing his and author

2706
02:22:46,410 --> 02:22:43,029
books what did you supply him that was

2707
02:22:47,490 --> 02:22:46,420
disinfo I didn't have supply anything

2708
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:47,500
that was just simple

2709
02:22:53,910 --> 02:22:50,050
the problem with Bill Morris he was so

2710
02:22:57,779 --> 02:22:53,920
long so much involved in the UFO UFO

2711
02:23:01,410 --> 02:22:57,789
community before ever met him in 1980 or

2712
02:23:04,290 --> 02:23:01,420
79 wonder what was that I couldn't I

2713
02:23:06,389 --> 02:23:04,300
couldn't dissin for him tell bill

2714
02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:06,399
already knew and Bill could see things

2715
02:23:11,939 --> 02:23:09,760
and Bill had access yeah and his own

2716
02:23:14,670 --> 02:23:11,949
sources which I didn't find out until

2717
02:23:16,500 --> 02:23:14,680
years later you had a colonel that was

2718
02:23:20,090 --> 02:23:16,510
stationed at Norton Air Force Base that

2719
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:20,100
was OSI and I didn't find this out until

2720
02:23:27,469 --> 02:23:25,090
2001 or so but this this Air Force was

2721
02:23:31,410 --> 02:23:27,479
aging was given him information now

2722
02:23:35,779 --> 02:23:31,420
whether he was using him to as a NASA I

2723
02:23:40,139 --> 02:23:35,789
don't know but I never gave bill a thing

2724
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:40,149
any disinformation because if I woulda

2725
02:23:44,550 --> 02:23:42,640
tried bill would have doubted me he

2726
02:23:46,410 --> 02:23:44,560
would have cut said I don't want to I

2727
02:23:48,330 --> 02:23:46,420
don't want a muddy the waters I'm

2728
02:23:50,460 --> 02:23:48,340
already in good with these people if I

2729
02:23:52,319 --> 02:23:50,470
bring something in that's not true and

2730
02:23:54,929 --> 02:23:52,329
there's so many other people that figure

2731
02:23:56,729 --> 02:23:54,939
it out it's not true then my credibility

2732
02:23:59,250 --> 02:23:56,739
is down the drain so so we didn't do

2733
02:24:01,529 --> 02:23:59,260
that with bill well why did you're

2734
02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:01,539
calling him an asset though what did he

2735
02:24:09,929 --> 02:24:06,850
do for you he reported to us well I'm

2736
02:24:12,450 --> 02:24:09,939
the Soviet thing that's entirely the

2737
02:24:14,939 --> 02:24:12,460
County espionage operation that he was

2738
02:24:17,700 --> 02:24:14,949
he was involved with which I'm not even

2739
02:24:20,849 --> 02:24:17,710
to go details on that he was doing that

2740
02:24:24,889 --> 02:24:20,859
and plus he was a members of UFO group

2741
02:24:27,389 --> 02:24:24,899
he would tell us what they were doing

2742
02:24:28,979 --> 02:24:27,399
hey would they had a meeting they

2743
02:24:31,859 --> 02:24:28,989
discussed all these different sightings

2744
02:24:34,139 --> 02:24:31,869
so-and-so was in charged so so does the

2745
02:24:37,469 --> 02:24:34,149
field investigator here's the phone

2746
02:24:39,269 --> 02:24:37,479
numbers here's how many feel the reports

2747
02:24:41,309 --> 02:24:39,279
they did and things like that that's

2748
02:24:44,910 --> 02:24:41,319
what he reported back back and why was

2749
02:24:48,660 --> 02:24:47,310
to keep track of the UFO community to

2750
02:24:53,550 --> 02:24:48,670
keep track of what they were doing

2751
02:24:56,250 --> 02:24:53,560
because the the more eyes in ears you

2752
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:56,260
have in the intelligence community the

2753
02:25:01,320 --> 02:24:58,560
better it's going to be if you have a

2754
02:25:03,450 --> 02:25:01,330
thousand people reporting back to us on

2755
02:25:06,630 --> 02:25:03,460
what they're doing what they're seeing

2756
02:25:08,730 --> 02:25:06,640
and what's occurring in their area then

2757
02:25:10,110 --> 02:25:08,740
that's that's better for the United

2758
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:10,120
States that's better for national

2759
02:25:15,630 --> 02:25:12,010
security because we can keep track then

2760
02:25:18,179 --> 02:25:15,640
of what's occurring now you know ninety

2761
02:25:20,310 --> 02:25:18,189
percent of everything that Bill's

2762
02:25:24,540 --> 02:25:20,320
reporting as far as reports is that a

2763
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:24,550
pro or or newfound was was receiving was

2764
02:25:29,550 --> 02:25:27,130
probably fully explainable because

2765
02:25:32,940 --> 02:25:29,560
remember in that time period we didn't

2766
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:32,950
have Project Blue Book anymore so we had

2767
02:25:41,910 --> 02:25:36,640
we still were interested in and reports

2768
02:25:44,130 --> 02:25:41,920
and of sightings of of object and and

2769
02:25:47,100 --> 02:25:44,140
some of them could be Soviet or could be

2770
02:25:50,070 --> 02:25:47,110
hostile so that's why we were doing it

2771
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:50,080
as part of a big plan it was just not it

2772
02:25:53,219 --> 02:25:51,610
was all over the United States act all

2773
02:25:57,330 --> 02:25:53,229
over the world we were doing this trying

2774
02:26:01,410 --> 02:25:57,340
to keep a track of what was occurring

2775
02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:01,420
that we the Air Force didn't know were

2776
02:26:06,960 --> 02:26:05,170
you there when he did the you know did

2777
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:06,970
the speech where he came clean and ran

2778
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:12,640
out the back door in Las Vegas 1991 no I

2779
02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:14,650
wasn't there you were better but but

2780
02:26:24,270 --> 02:26:21,930
Bill told me Bill I met bill in in

2781
02:26:26,820 --> 02:26:24,280
Laughlin before this because it was in

2782
02:26:29,429 --> 02:26:26,830
Vegas but I had we we met in Laughlin

2783
02:26:35,420 --> 02:26:29,439
and Bill told me what he was going to do

2784
02:26:38,850 --> 02:26:35,430
and I we dropped him in probably 88 or

2785
02:26:40,620 --> 02:26:38,860
87 or I'm not sure we dropped you we

2786
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:40,630
just told him no more I'm not gonna pay

2787
02:26:45,330 --> 02:26:42,250
you for travel or pay you for anything

2788
02:26:47,429 --> 02:26:45,340
so it's over with and he said okay an

2789
02:26:49,500 --> 02:26:47,439
exploding over stanzas and then he he

2790
02:26:52,020 --> 02:26:49,510
then I I had contact with him

2791
02:26:55,170 --> 02:26:52,030
occasionally here and there and and and

2792
02:26:58,649 --> 02:26:55,180
we met in Laughlin I think it was two or

2793
02:26:59,939 --> 02:26:58,659
three days before that the Vegas speech

2794
02:27:06,320 --> 02:26:59,949
and he told me exactly what he's gonna

2795
02:27:12,570 --> 02:27:06,330
do and he said and he was he was quite

2796
02:27:14,519 --> 02:27:12,580
irritating to me of because he said I'm

2797
02:27:18,689 --> 02:27:14,529
gonna do this and nobody's gonna change

2798
02:27:22,019 --> 02:27:18,699
my mind and he gave me a draft of his

2799
02:27:23,219 --> 02:27:22,029
speech and I looked at it and I said you

2800
02:27:25,109 --> 02:27:23,229
know there's a lot of things in here

2801
02:27:26,790 --> 02:27:25,119
bill I wouldn't suggest you he said I

2802
02:27:29,160 --> 02:27:26,800
don't care what you say I'm gonna do it

2803
02:27:32,010 --> 02:27:29,170
I said fine bill you know let him stop

2804
02:27:35,189 --> 02:27:32,020
you you want to do it do it and you did

2805
02:27:42,929 --> 02:27:35,199
how much did you income how much did you

2806
02:27:48,389 --> 02:27:42,939
pay bill more we paid him for travel we

2807
02:27:52,500 --> 02:27:48,399
paid him for mostly well pay for just

2808
02:27:55,439 --> 02:27:52,510
travel or expenses but we didn't

2809
02:28:03,149 --> 02:27:55,449
actually pay him a salary yes really

2810
02:28:06,990 --> 02:28:03,159
good travel cash pardon - yeah yeah yeah

2811
02:28:10,010 --> 02:28:07,000
- always gonna sign for it okay as a

2812
02:28:14,790 --> 02:28:10,020
form and you signed for it and then we

2813
02:28:16,920 --> 02:28:14,800
he signs the IRS form - so you know he

2814
02:28:19,620 --> 02:28:16,930
was - forms he had to sign but it was

2815
02:28:24,420 --> 02:28:19,630
never a lot of money I mean I don't

2816
02:28:28,070 --> 02:28:24,430
think I ever ever paid more than $45 $50

2817
02:28:31,410 --> 02:28:28,080
or something like that $30 so why do it

2818
02:28:34,590 --> 02:28:31,420
I mean for Bill why do it I mean I I

2819
02:28:36,719 --> 02:28:34,600
don't I don't know I you know and today

2820
02:28:38,490 --> 02:28:36,729
he's a he's a janitor for junior high

2821
02:28:41,010 --> 02:28:38,500
school in Pennsylvania living in a

2822
02:28:45,269 --> 02:28:41,020
trailer you know why I mean why why go

2823
02:28:47,460 --> 02:28:45,279
down that road how many others and I'm

2824
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:47,470
gonna apologize to the network and all

2825
02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:49,210
of our sponsors I've blown through all

2826
02:28:53,639 --> 02:28:51,010
of the commercials but and I've never

2827
02:28:56,429 --> 02:28:53,649
done this before I'll pay the price for

2828
02:28:58,979 --> 02:28:56,439
this in the future okay so that those

2829
02:29:02,670 --> 02:28:58,989
phone calls are coming in tomorrow how

2830
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:02,680
many other asses did you have in in

2831
02:29:11,309 --> 02:29:07,210
ethology there was Bill Moore how many

2832
02:29:12,510 --> 02:29:11,319
others personally me personally oh there

2833
02:29:14,580 --> 02:29:12,520
I had

2834
02:29:16,889 --> 02:29:14,590
okay let's go here well let's do you

2835
02:29:25,170 --> 02:29:16,899
personally first because that you would

2836
02:29:29,250 --> 02:29:25,180
know that directly how many I had I had

2837
02:29:33,469 --> 02:29:29,260
three do I and this was just in New

2838
02:29:35,429 --> 02:29:33,479
Mexico area do I know those three

2839
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:35,439
bill more being one of them

2840
02:29:40,319 --> 02:29:37,930
no what I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry uh

2841
02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:40,329
for bill would be one and then there'd

2842
02:29:47,639 --> 02:29:42,880
be three others um one of them is dead

2843
02:29:51,569 --> 02:29:47,649
one of them died many many years ago and

2844
02:29:53,189 --> 02:29:51,579
the other two are still I don't know

2845
02:29:55,830 --> 02:29:53,199
that they're involved in the UFO

2846
02:29:59,429 --> 02:29:55,840
community one was a pro and and one was

2847
02:30:01,590 --> 02:29:59,439
new fun right in in the southwest area

2848
02:30:03,240 --> 02:30:01,600
and I'm not gonna disclose their names

2849
02:30:06,179 --> 02:30:03,250
nothing you don't have to you don't have

2850
02:30:09,210 --> 02:30:06,189
to okay if I don't know them and it's a

2851
02:30:12,809 --> 02:30:09,220
pro and it's MUFON and and they're older

2852
02:30:15,960 --> 02:30:12,819
now and and not involved okay now what

2853
02:30:19,109 --> 02:30:15,970
about the Air Force in general did they

2854
02:30:22,500 --> 02:30:19,119
have if you had yours certainly there

2855
02:30:24,859 --> 02:30:22,510
were others under the control of the Air

2856
02:30:28,620 --> 02:30:24,869
Force can you put a number on that well

2857
02:30:31,229 --> 02:30:28,630
you figured there was 122 Air Force OSI

2858
02:30:34,019 --> 02:30:31,239
agents that weren't involved in this

2859
02:30:35,660 --> 02:30:34,029
program there were 120 to that but it

2860
02:30:41,219 --> 02:30:35,670
had been briefed and that's worldwide

2861
02:30:45,510 --> 02:30:41,229
that I knew of in 19 well I knew of his

2862
02:30:48,620 --> 02:30:45,520
latest 88 and out of those 122 every one

2863
02:30:51,660 --> 02:30:48,630
of them was required to have assets and

2864
02:30:54,090 --> 02:30:51,670
up to three or four so you do the math

2865
02:30:57,330 --> 02:30:54,100
there were quite a few I don't know

2866
02:31:00,689 --> 02:30:57,340
names I don't know numbers exactly now

2867
02:31:06,870 --> 02:31:00,699
after all the years but I know that I

2868
02:31:10,200 --> 02:31:06,880
know one particular asset who it was

2869
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:10,210
probably one of the better ones was one

2870
02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:14,170
of the senior officials and April I mean

2871
02:31:20,279 --> 02:31:16,720
that new phone I think he was an a pro

2872
02:31:23,639 --> 02:31:20,289
and MUFON but he was one of the he was

2873
02:31:25,780 --> 02:31:23,649
one of the senior people and and and and

2874
02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:25,790
I knew

2875
02:31:34,300 --> 02:31:30,650
that was handling him always bragged

2876
02:31:35,950 --> 02:31:34,310
about how he recruited this guy and you

2877
02:31:38,410 --> 02:31:35,960
know he was one of the senior directors

2878
02:31:40,930 --> 02:31:38,420
and and he was getting all sorts of

2879
02:31:44,110 --> 02:31:40,940
information from him so I knew there was

2880
02:31:47,170 --> 02:31:44,120
some at least one senior official on our

2881
02:31:50,650 --> 02:31:47,180
side and and I understand the collecting

2882
02:31:53,710 --> 02:31:50,660
of of information from inside of these

2883
02:31:57,480 --> 02:31:53,720
organizations going out but what about

2884
02:32:00,910 --> 02:31:57,490
the the disinformation going back into

2885
02:32:06,240 --> 02:32:00,920
these organizations be it rumor be it

2886
02:32:12,280 --> 02:32:06,250
photographs documents or just stories

2887
02:32:14,380 --> 02:32:12,290
did that occur no we were specifically

2888
02:32:17,770 --> 02:32:14,390
you know that's right that's some pretty

2889
02:32:22,840 --> 02:32:17,780
strong no coming out of you yeah

2890
02:32:25,720 --> 02:32:22,850
absolutely not we were not allowed we

2891
02:32:28,511 --> 02:32:25,730
were specifically forbidden to do that

2892
02:32:33,810 --> 02:32:28,521
unless there was some type of operation

2893
02:32:38,830 --> 02:32:33,820
that specifically targeted a particular

2894
02:32:42,220 --> 02:32:38,840
incident such as if give me I'll give

2895
02:32:44,230 --> 02:32:42,230
you an example if John Smith is driving

2896
02:32:47,080 --> 02:32:44,240
down a road and the UFO lands next to

2897
02:32:49,570 --> 02:32:47,090
him and shuts his vehicle off and and

2898
02:32:54,040 --> 02:32:49,580
the only person that has gained any

2899
02:32:56,520 --> 02:32:54,050
knowledge about this UFO was the field

2900
02:33:00,100 --> 02:32:56,530
investigator for a MUFON or a parole and

2901
02:33:02,680 --> 02:33:00,110
so they do a report and they don't send

2902
02:33:06,330 --> 02:33:02,690
it to anybody but they keep it in but

2903
02:33:09,790 --> 02:33:06,340
our asset within that a pro or new find

2904
02:33:14,530 --> 02:33:09,800
gives it to us now we're going to start

2905
02:33:16,980 --> 02:33:14,540
an investigation and now maybe we would

2906
02:33:20,290 --> 02:33:16,990
try some kind of counterintelligence

2907
02:33:23,440 --> 02:33:20,300
operation against the person not-not-not

2908
02:33:26,700 --> 02:33:23,450
the field investigator not the group but

2909
02:33:29,050 --> 02:33:26,710
but the person that had the encounter

2910
02:33:30,490 --> 02:33:29,060
that's the only time you would be

2911
02:33:35,950 --> 02:33:30,500
allowed to do something like that

2912
02:33:38,890 --> 02:33:35,960
does does the Air Force OSI do they have

2913
02:33:43,211 --> 02:33:38,900
assets right now inside of MUFON

2914
02:33:47,171 --> 02:33:43,221
I I left an 88 I have no idea

2915
02:33:50,530 --> 02:33:47,181
oh okay you can imagine that they do do

2916
02:33:55,270 --> 02:33:50,540
you now do you still communicate at all

2917
02:33:58,660 --> 02:33:55,280
with anybody in the Air Force OSI we

2918
02:34:01,511 --> 02:33:58,670
have a group of retired Association of

2919
02:34:03,450 --> 02:34:01,521
Retired intelligence officers and within

2920
02:34:07,751 --> 02:34:03,460
that group there's a there's another

2921
02:34:10,841 --> 02:34:07,761
smaller group that all of us had been

2922
02:34:13,180 --> 02:34:10,851
involved in that program and there

2923
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:13,190
wasn't just OSI it was something some

2924
02:34:19,350 --> 02:34:15,290
guys have been FBI they've been briefed

2925
02:34:23,740 --> 02:34:19,360
into a dia and we have a few CIA

2926
02:34:25,421 --> 02:34:23,750
officers and we meet annually or

2927
02:34:31,001 --> 02:34:25,431
sometimes semi-annually and there's

2928
02:34:33,910 --> 02:34:31,011
there's about 52 left there's a lot more

2929
02:34:37,180 --> 02:34:33,920
years ago but they die off and and we

2930
02:34:39,160 --> 02:34:37,190
still meet and we sit and talk and none

2931
02:34:41,970 --> 02:34:39,170
of us are involved none of us have

2932
02:34:46,930 --> 02:34:41,980
security clearances anymore none of us

2933
02:34:50,470 --> 02:34:46,940
have access to anything but others tell

2934
02:34:53,621 --> 02:34:50,480
us things and we have ways of obtaining

2935
02:34:56,680 --> 02:34:53,631
information and we need and we talk

2936
02:35:01,140 --> 02:34:56,690
about it and I know that there's

2937
02:35:04,001 --> 02:35:01,150
probably a good intelligence network

2938
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:04,011
still alive just like the way we had it

2939
02:35:10,001 --> 02:35:07,610
and maybe even better than we had it did

2940
02:35:14,140 --> 02:35:10,011
you I think you've talked about this in

2941
02:35:17,671 --> 02:35:14,150
the past but did you did you operate

2942
02:35:26,950 --> 02:35:17,681
undercover did you go to these meetings

2943
02:35:29,801 --> 02:35:26,960
as a civilian I would go to I have yes I

2944
02:35:34,030 --> 02:35:29,811
have I have I've gone through some UFO

2945
02:35:40,060 --> 02:35:34,040
conventions back in the 80s not as as

2946
02:35:44,520 --> 02:35:40,070
myself yes I am and as the Air Force man

2947
02:35:50,801 --> 02:35:44,530
do you feel strange admitting that today

2948
02:35:52,680 --> 02:35:50,811
does it feel a little dirty if I'm I'm

2949
02:35:55,051 --> 02:35:52,690
mister

2950
02:35:57,900 --> 02:35:55,061
do I feel strange air force that mean

2951
02:35:59,820 --> 02:35:57,910
what we I mean you know it's clandestine

2952
02:36:02,161 --> 02:35:59,830
it's inside of the United States you're

2953
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:02,171
met you know you're you're in the Air

2954
02:36:09,421 --> 02:36:05,530
Force and then going to a UFO convention

2955
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:09,431
or conference or at dresses a civilian

2956
02:36:15,211 --> 02:36:12,730
and and going in and doing that on US

2957
02:36:20,371 --> 02:36:15,221
soil you know we're not enemy combatants

2958
02:36:22,950 --> 02:36:20,381
here we're American citizens well well

2959
02:36:26,270 --> 02:36:22,960
how I'm doing all I did was sit and

2960
02:36:30,240 --> 02:36:26,280
listen I did I didn't do anything

2961
02:36:33,480 --> 02:36:30,250
clandestine or undercover I mean I sat

2962
02:36:35,700 --> 02:36:33,490
there and listen to the speakers and and

2963
02:36:38,520 --> 02:36:35,710
and maybe mingled with some people and

2964
02:36:46,680 --> 02:36:38,530
listened to some some people talk or

2965
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:46,690
something like that but and and you're

2966
02:36:51,871 --> 02:36:49,210
talking about dresses and Savina

2967
02:36:53,730 --> 02:36:51,881
undercover I were civilian clothes the

2968
02:36:56,280 --> 02:36:53,740
entire time I wasn't homicide

2969
02:36:57,150 --> 02:36:56,290
I mean you we didn't wear uniforms what

2970
02:36:58,621 --> 02:36:57,160
that's what I'm saying

2971
02:37:00,240 --> 02:36:58,631
well that's Richard that's what I'm

2972
02:37:03,091 --> 02:37:00,250
saying you didn't tell anybody that you

2973
02:37:05,791 --> 02:37:03,101
were in the Air Force and that you

2974
02:37:07,081 --> 02:37:05,801
worked for the OSI he didn't you know

2975
02:37:10,081 --> 02:37:07,091
you didn't disclose that at those

2976
02:37:13,110 --> 02:37:10,091
meetings either yeah now now what about

2977
02:37:15,360 --> 02:37:13,120
I did no no no I did I have

2978
02:37:17,310 --> 02:37:15,370
I had to disclose it to my supervisor in

2979
02:37:19,740 --> 02:37:17,320
fact I was directed to go no not your

2980
02:37:22,860 --> 02:37:19,750
supervisor I'm talking about the people

2981
02:37:25,530 --> 02:37:22,870
the civilians at the conferences they

2982
02:37:29,480 --> 02:37:25,540
didn't oh yeah yeah no no they didn't

2983
02:37:35,581 --> 02:37:29,490
right right now what about those other

2984
02:37:37,230 --> 02:37:35,591
120 122 that were in this program with

2985
02:37:39,450 --> 02:37:37,240
you in the Air Force that was around the

2986
02:37:41,490 --> 02:37:39,460
world but certainly a chunk of them were

2987
02:37:43,171 --> 02:37:41,500
inside of the United States they were

2988
02:37:47,190 --> 02:37:43,181
doing the exact same thing weren't they

2989
02:37:51,501 --> 02:37:47,200
yes that is a massive infiltration

2990
02:37:54,631 --> 02:37:51,511
massive I don't know who to trust right

2991
02:37:58,081 --> 02:37:54,641
well you know what my role is just it

2992
02:38:01,161 --> 02:37:58,091
wasn't just oh I Sai officer Navy

2993
02:38:05,940 --> 02:38:01,171
intelligence had their own right right

2994
02:38:10,801 --> 02:38:05,950
yeah I had a FBI hata really

2995
02:38:13,230 --> 02:38:10,811
offensive network and and I don't know

2996
02:38:15,870 --> 02:38:13,240
about the army I know I know OSI and

2997
02:38:20,631 --> 02:38:15,880
Navy I don't know about them I can't

2998
02:38:24,120 --> 02:38:20,641
speak for the army and it's gotta be

2999
02:38:26,131 --> 02:38:24,130
well see you know as you know I speak at

3000
02:38:29,341 --> 02:38:26,141
these conferences some of them are

3001
02:38:32,460 --> 02:38:29,351
really really large you can't you can't

3002
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:32,470
know everybody that is attending but

3003
02:38:40,410 --> 02:38:37,200
I've often suspected that there must be

3004
02:38:42,631 --> 02:38:40,420
some of them out there you don't know if

3005
02:38:44,310 --> 02:38:42,641
they could be women or men or young or

3006
02:38:46,530 --> 02:38:44,320
you just don't know that's the first

3007
02:38:48,150 --> 02:38:46,540
thing but the second thing is these

3008
02:38:52,370 --> 02:38:48,160
presenters and these people that are

3009
02:38:55,440 --> 02:38:52,380
around me that we are friends and and

3010
02:38:59,341 --> 02:38:55,450
compatriots right but are you saying

3011
02:39:06,990 --> 02:38:59,351
that some of them may be assets because

3012
02:39:11,930 --> 02:39:07,000
that's what you did I was yes I would

3013
02:39:15,210 --> 02:39:11,940
say that every UFO group is has probably

3014
02:39:18,290 --> 02:39:15,220
assets belonging to some kind of

3015
02:39:23,940 --> 02:39:18,300
intelligence agency whether it would be

3016
02:39:26,220 --> 02:39:23,950
OSI FBI or whoever and and they're

3017
02:39:29,160 --> 02:39:26,230
reporting back what the group is doing

3018
02:39:33,600 --> 02:39:29,170
yes III don't know that for a fact I've

3019
02:39:36,150 --> 02:39:33,610
been out 30-some years so I can't say

3020
02:39:38,280 --> 02:39:36,160
for sure but I would I would guess it

3021
02:39:43,910 --> 02:39:38,290
probably is still happening

3022
02:39:48,570 --> 02:39:43,920
is there somebody today on the circuit

3023
02:39:57,841 --> 02:39:48,580
that you knew from back then that was an

3024
02:40:00,180 --> 02:39:57,851
asset oh yes people really that i I

3025
02:40:03,450 --> 02:40:00,190
don't need I don't I don't I need to

3026
02:40:05,610 --> 02:40:03,460
sleep tonight so I don't need names but

3027
02:40:09,150 --> 02:40:05,620
no I'm not gonna tell you but there are

3028
02:40:11,610 --> 02:40:09,160
two people one one more prominent than

3029
02:40:13,921 --> 02:40:11,620
the other of there one is probably I

3030
02:40:16,530 --> 02:40:13,931
don't I don't have them to contract

3031
02:40:19,290 --> 02:40:16,540
other one but the one is you hear about

3032
02:40:22,649 --> 02:40:19,300
him within the UFO community

3033
02:40:24,330 --> 02:40:22,659
and then is involved it was was an asset

3034
02:40:27,719 --> 02:40:24,340
and probably Scylla I don't know if he

3035
02:40:31,649 --> 02:40:27,729
still is or not and the other person I I

3036
02:40:34,710 --> 02:40:31,659
don't know but they were and and I I

3037
02:40:39,779 --> 02:40:34,720
would imagine that there still are I can

3038
02:40:42,929 --> 02:40:39,789
in fact I well the last UFO convention I

3039
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:42,939
was at 2010 the last one window was that

3040
02:40:50,189 --> 02:40:47,050
I pointed out to window and some others

3041
02:40:52,529 --> 02:40:50,199
in this group right of who I knew in the

3042
02:40:54,809 --> 02:40:52,539
audience that were either CIA or Air

3043
02:40:56,639 --> 02:40:54,819
Force I pointed him out right there one

3044
02:40:58,679 --> 02:40:56,649
two three and there was something like

3045
02:41:02,599 --> 02:40:58,689
six of them they were scattered around

3046
02:41:07,830 --> 02:41:02,609
the room and I remember when George

3047
02:41:10,370 --> 02:41:07,840
Knapp did his Skywalker Ranch a

3048
02:41:13,340 --> 02:41:10,380
presentation at UFO convention in

3049
02:41:15,899 --> 02:41:13,350
Laughlin and I don't remember what years

3050
02:41:21,769 --> 02:41:15,909
mm whatever five or six or whatever it

3051
02:41:26,729 --> 02:41:21,779
was I was there and there were 20 20

3052
02:41:29,729 --> 02:41:26,739
that their intelligence personnel in

3053
02:41:40,170 --> 02:41:29,739
that room 20 and I knew every single one

3054
02:41:43,500 --> 02:41:40,180
of them the the the the I just the

3055
02:41:46,859 --> 02:41:43,510
community the UFO community is so

3056
02:41:48,300 --> 02:41:46,869
freaked out about this not for about

3057
02:41:51,359 --> 02:41:48,310
what you're saying I'm saying that this

3058
02:41:53,309 --> 02:41:51,369
could be occurring and you know that

3059
02:41:55,109 --> 02:41:53,319
this is something that you can almost

3060
02:41:57,750 --> 02:41:55,119
touch and feel when you go to these

3061
02:41:59,639 --> 02:41:57,760
conferences everybody is aware they're

3062
02:42:01,290 --> 02:41:59,649
looking for the feds right they're

3063
02:42:04,649 --> 02:42:01,300
looking for the event they're looking

3064
02:42:08,010 --> 02:42:04,659
they because trust in this community is

3065
02:42:10,559 --> 02:42:08,020
is paramount Richard and you know this

3066
02:42:13,670 --> 02:42:10,569
you've done this for years trust is

3067
02:42:18,029 --> 02:42:13,680
there and everybody is suspicious and

3068
02:42:21,450 --> 02:42:18,039
and now you are saying that yes this has

3069
02:42:25,429 --> 02:42:21,460
been going on the amount of numbers

3070
02:42:27,870 --> 02:42:25,439
which you just told me if every 122

3071
02:42:33,180 --> 02:42:27,880
agents with four assets

3072
02:42:36,060 --> 02:42:33,190
each we're looking at 500 500

3073
02:42:39,841 --> 02:42:36,070
five that that is a big chunk of people

3074
02:42:42,180 --> 02:42:39,851
that's a that's a large number so when

3075
02:42:44,150 --> 02:42:42,190
you go to these conferences you've you

3076
02:42:46,470 --> 02:42:44,160
don't know who to trust

3077
02:42:49,051 --> 02:42:46,480
well that was back in the eighties I

3078
02:42:51,810 --> 02:42:49,061
can't speak for what how many there are

3079
02:42:54,121 --> 02:42:51,820
now but I would guess I mean just just

3080
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:54,131
common sense tells you that the

3081
02:42:58,470 --> 02:42:55,690
government's gonna be keeping track of

3082
02:43:00,331 --> 02:42:58,480
it I mean and they're not violating any

3083
02:43:02,551 --> 02:43:00,341
laws they're just they're listening what

3084
02:43:05,990 --> 02:43:02,561
you're saying what what the speakers are

3085
02:43:09,450 --> 02:43:06,000
saying they're not they're not trying to

3086
02:43:11,341 --> 02:43:09,460
convince anybody of anything and we

3087
02:43:13,530 --> 02:43:11,351
never did we went to the conventions and

3088
02:43:16,261 --> 02:43:13,540
we were there to listen and listen to

3089
02:43:17,220 --> 02:43:16,271
what their speakers were saying and you

3090
02:43:19,831 --> 02:43:17,230
know some of them we found very

3091
02:43:21,900 --> 02:43:19,841
interesting and and then we report back

3092
02:43:26,131 --> 02:43:21,910
do a report back they hate we went to

3093
02:43:29,341 --> 02:43:26,141
this UFO convention and and and we and

3094
02:43:31,381 --> 02:43:29,351
so many this speakers spoke about this

3095
02:43:33,780 --> 02:43:31,391
this guy lectured about this so on so

3096
02:43:37,110 --> 02:43:33,790
it's also it's also and and that's it

3097
02:43:40,591 --> 02:43:37,120
that's it but we had we didn't you know

3098
02:43:42,211 --> 02:43:40,601
tap any rooms or wiretap we would be

3099
02:43:44,761 --> 02:43:42,221
prohibited from doing anything like that

3100
02:43:47,610 --> 02:43:44,771
we never did anything illegal we did we

3101
02:43:51,301 --> 02:43:47,620
just had their listened yes III think

3102
02:43:58,470 --> 02:43:51,311
that I think the UFO community they

3103
02:43:59,430 --> 02:43:58,480
don't have anything to hide and they

3104
02:44:02,881 --> 02:43:59,440
wouldn't have anything to lose by

3105
02:44:06,301 --> 02:44:02,891
sitting in a room with with fifty

3106
02:44:10,230 --> 02:44:06,311
intelligence officers and lecturing to a

3107
02:44:11,070 --> 02:44:10,240
crowd of 5,000 with 50 in the room what

3108
02:44:13,860 --> 02:44:11,080
difference would it make

3109
02:44:16,051 --> 02:44:13,870
well but but that's that's the

3110
02:44:18,060 --> 02:44:16,061
interesting part for me when you're

3111
02:44:20,100 --> 02:44:18,070
suggesting that you know the

3112
02:44:21,180 --> 02:44:20,110
infiltration is there the assets are

3113
02:44:24,600 --> 02:44:21,190
there they're inside of the community

3114
02:44:28,261 --> 02:44:24,610
reporting back to you and the other

3115
02:44:30,570 --> 02:44:28,271
agents these are these are agents with

3116
02:44:33,261 --> 02:44:30,580
the career they're getting paid and they

3117
02:44:36,921 --> 02:44:33,271
have a job to do and these assets after

3118
02:44:40,110 --> 02:44:36,931
hanging out at an after party or this or

3119
02:44:43,140 --> 02:44:40,120
picking up the phone and calling their

3120
02:44:44,911 --> 02:44:43,150
handler saying okay this happened at the

3121
02:44:45,960 --> 02:44:44,921
conference today so and so said this

3122
02:44:47,910 --> 02:44:45,970
somebody had this

3123
02:44:51,660 --> 02:44:47,920
so many of this photograph of the and if

3124
02:44:52,949 --> 02:44:51,670
that is going on that is nuts and that's

3125
02:44:57,500 --> 02:44:52,959
exactly what you're saying happened

3126
02:45:00,599 --> 02:44:57,510
right well I don't I can't say that I

3127
02:45:02,550 --> 02:45:00,609
can't say I can't speak for anybody but

3128
02:45:04,139 --> 02:45:02,560
myself I can't speak for any of these

3129
02:45:05,849 --> 02:45:04,149
other agents of what they were getting

3130
02:45:07,590 --> 02:45:05,859
or how much information they were

3131
02:45:12,540 --> 02:45:07,600
getting whether they were getting

3132
02:45:16,170 --> 02:45:12,550
documents or reports or photographs it

3133
02:45:18,660 --> 02:45:16,180
wasn't as as prevalent as you might make

3134
02:45:23,370 --> 02:45:18,670
it sound to be there there wasn't some

3135
02:45:26,699 --> 02:45:23,380
kind of a repository where were

3136
02:45:28,590 --> 02:45:26,709
thousands of pages of information coming

3137
02:45:30,830 --> 02:45:28,600
out of these UFOs groups were being

3138
02:45:36,599 --> 02:45:30,840
filed it wasn't like that

3139
02:45:41,010 --> 02:45:36,609
very very in fact bill Moore didn't give

3140
02:45:45,660 --> 02:45:41,020
a whole lot of information and or the

3141
02:45:47,279 --> 02:45:45,670
other assets I had some gave me stuff

3142
02:45:51,300 --> 02:45:47,289
that I was already printed in a

3143
02:45:54,239 --> 02:45:51,310
newspaper or a magazine or or I listened

3144
02:45:56,969 --> 02:45:54,249
to on a radio or was in a newspaper or a

3145
02:45:59,300 --> 02:45:56,979
television report so wasn't any kind of

3146
02:46:02,580 --> 02:45:59,310
Secrets that was occurring within the

3147
02:46:04,710 --> 02:46:02,590
UFO community was stuff that they call

3148
02:46:07,349 --> 02:46:04,720
would call me and say hey you know we

3149
02:46:09,689 --> 02:46:07,359
took four reports yesterday or last week

3150
02:46:13,139 --> 02:46:09,699
or last month or six months ago about

3151
02:46:15,269 --> 02:46:13,149
these sightings of the Curtain in Las

3152
02:46:19,109 --> 02:46:15,279
Cruces New Mexico or Silver City or

3153
02:46:20,849 --> 02:46:19,119
wherever I would say okay and and I

3154
02:46:23,040 --> 02:46:20,859
would our probably already know a lot of

3155
02:46:25,889 --> 02:46:23,050
it so I I can only speak for myself

3156
02:46:29,010 --> 02:46:25,899
about what I was getting from these

3157
02:46:32,099 --> 02:46:29,020
assets okay two quick questions and I'm

3158
02:46:34,410 --> 02:46:32,109
gonna thank you in advance for for this

3159
02:46:37,319 --> 02:46:34,420
surprise visit number one number two for

3160
02:46:40,019 --> 02:46:37,329
for allowing me to drill you these

3161
02:46:42,120 --> 02:46:40,029
questions for the last hour and a half I

3162
02:46:44,189 --> 02:46:42,130
didn't expect this and and again I

3163
02:46:47,819 --> 02:46:44,199
apologize to all of our sponsors on the

3164
02:46:51,420 --> 02:46:47,829
show and the network for neglecting my

3165
02:46:52,949 --> 02:46:51,430
commercial breaks hey you know what you

3166
02:46:56,179 --> 02:46:52,959
know what Richards some things have to

3167
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:56,189
be you know it's it is what it is okay

3168
02:47:05,320 --> 02:46:59,680
first question the aviary

3169
02:47:09,070 --> 02:47:05,330
fictitious created it was created by

3170
02:47:12,220 --> 02:47:09,080
somebody else I in fact that the

3171
02:47:15,970 --> 02:47:12,230
absolute truth is that Avery arey was

3172
02:47:17,800 --> 02:47:15,980
was already being circulated and I

3173
02:47:21,250 --> 02:47:17,810
didn't even know I was involved in it

3174
02:47:23,980 --> 02:47:21,260
I honestly god I did not know I was

3175
02:47:27,310 --> 02:47:23,990
involved and I can't really put a finger

3176
02:47:30,160 --> 02:47:27,320
on who started that I thought it might

3177
02:47:33,610 --> 02:47:30,170
have been Robert Collins but he denies

3178
02:47:38,020 --> 02:47:33,620
it he says it was Jamie SH and era right

3179
02:47:40,570 --> 02:47:38,030
or for somebody care here but I don't

3180
02:47:44,610 --> 02:47:40,580
know I don't know who started it were

3181
02:47:48,370 --> 02:47:44,620
you involved that were involved names

3182
02:47:51,430 --> 02:47:48,380
were I mean some of them like doctor

3183
02:47:53,490 --> 02:47:51,440
help put off and doctor kick green who

3184
02:47:56,020 --> 02:47:53,500
were very good friends of mine today

3185
02:47:58,090 --> 02:47:56,030
they would call me and say what's this

3186
02:47:59,500 --> 02:47:58,100
Avery saying and I don't know what

3187
02:48:01,960 --> 02:47:59,510
you're talking about it I didn't I

3188
02:48:03,100 --> 02:48:01,970
didn't start it I don't know what so

3189
02:48:08,680 --> 02:48:03,110
somebody else started it

3190
02:48:12,330 --> 02:48:08,690
who was Falcon Falcon the real falcon

3191
02:48:18,340 --> 02:48:12,340
the real real Falcon was Richard Helms

3192
02:48:26,920 --> 02:48:18,350
really ok reaches helm was the real real

3193
02:48:32,020 --> 02:48:26,930
Falcon and to cover him I was was named

3194
02:48:34,570 --> 02:48:32,030
Falcon because Richard Helms was my very

3195
02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:34,580
very very dear friend he was a my father

3196
02:48:40,120 --> 02:48:38,090
was friends of my father's and then of

3197
02:48:42,310 --> 02:48:40,130
course I knew him from that but I became

3198
02:48:46,180 --> 02:48:42,320
friends with him right up until he

3199
02:48:51,580 --> 02:48:46,190
passed away and and and and Richard was

3200
02:48:54,700 --> 02:48:51,590
the he was the real falcon and that's

3201
02:48:57,011 --> 02:48:54,710
been that's not that's that news and

3202
02:48:59,680 --> 02:48:57,021
he's been out for some time it's it's

3203
02:49:03,400 --> 02:48:59,690
been out but I didn't I did not know

3204
02:49:04,840 --> 02:49:03,410
that you and him had that relationship

3205
02:49:09,040 --> 02:49:04,850
that I did know there are rumors going

3206
02:49:11,090 --> 02:49:09,050
on forever that dick Helms was was

3207
02:49:15,349 --> 02:49:11,100
indeed the real Falcon

3208
02:49:19,760 --> 02:49:15,359
yep now you should hear some of his

3209
02:49:23,269 --> 02:49:19,770
stories well I've said I saw his recent

3210
02:49:26,449 --> 02:49:23,279
interviews that he did the there's a

3211
02:49:28,189 --> 02:49:26,459
documentary out the surviving a head of

3212
02:49:30,380 --> 02:49:28,199
the CIA directors right they all get

3213
02:49:32,869 --> 02:49:30,390
together and talk about the bomb I don't

3214
02:49:38,119 --> 02:49:32,879
know if you've seen that but it's pretty

3215
02:49:40,519 --> 02:49:38,129
interesting okay you know again I want

3216
02:49:43,909 --> 02:49:40,529
to thank you I had one more question but

3217
02:49:49,029 --> 02:49:43,919
I I can't I've lost it it was in front

3218
02:49:54,920 --> 02:49:53,569
Richard I again thank you for calling in

3219
02:49:56,630 --> 02:49:54,930
what we should do

3220
02:50:02,479 --> 02:49:56,640
I mean I was completely unprepared for

3221
02:50:08,719 --> 02:50:02,489
this but if you'd like now I was calling

3222
02:50:12,829 --> 02:50:08,729
no no no I no no no no no I got a test I

3223
02:50:16,130 --> 02:50:12,839
got a text to look out for for numbers

3224
02:50:20,510 --> 02:50:16,140
your last four that's what I got I

3225
02:50:22,279 --> 02:50:20,520
didn't know I had I had no idea and I

3226
02:50:24,859 --> 02:50:22,289
was told to look out for this phone

3227
02:50:26,449 --> 02:50:24,869
number so no no no absolutely not

3228
02:50:28,819 --> 02:50:26,459
which you know what and that's the

3229
02:50:31,519 --> 02:50:28,829
beauty part of this especially when it's

3230
02:50:33,229 --> 02:50:31,529
live radio if I would have known I would

3231
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:33,239
have said Richard Odie's calling in

3232
02:50:38,059 --> 02:50:36,479
tonight and I would absolutely not I was

3233
02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:38,069
told to look out for these last four

3234
02:50:47,569 --> 02:50:44,010
digits and there you go so and again

3235
02:50:51,319 --> 02:50:47,579
thank you and let's schedule something

3236
02:50:53,529 --> 02:50:51,329
in in the future what you mentioned that

3237
02:50:56,569 --> 02:50:53,539
you're working on the television show or

3238
02:50:58,460 --> 02:50:56,579
documentary what are you doing it's a

3239
02:51:03,019 --> 02:50:58,470
documentary there's a couple of them are

3240
02:51:06,769 --> 02:51:03,029
working on that being filmed in Nevada

3241
02:51:10,130 --> 02:51:06,779
in around area 51 any research going

3242
02:51:11,989 --> 02:51:10,140
around at Warm Springs there's some

3243
02:51:15,019 --> 02:51:11,999
things occurring out there that there

3244
02:51:18,829 --> 02:51:15,029
isn't really mysterious so what you're

3245
02:51:19,340 --> 02:51:18,839
doing yeah sure okay all right well good

3246
02:51:20,899 --> 02:51:19,350
luck with that

3247
02:51:23,989 --> 02:51:20,909
oh I know what my question was it was

3248
02:51:25,040 --> 02:51:23,999
about Bill Cooper it was Bill Cooper

3249
02:51:27,080 --> 02:51:25,050
he's somebody

3250
02:51:34,900 --> 02:51:27,090
I respect he's one of the reasons why I

3251
02:51:37,309 --> 02:51:34,910
do radio today but was he an asset no

3252
02:51:40,280 --> 02:51:37,319
what am i okay

3253
02:51:41,870 --> 02:51:40,290
oh not yours so you don't know no no I

3254
02:51:44,030 --> 02:51:41,880
don't know I don't know that it was I

3255
02:51:46,400 --> 02:51:44,040
don't know I have no idea what he was

3256
02:51:49,550 --> 02:51:46,410
were there okay

3257
02:51:53,620 --> 02:51:49,560
and was there any influence in the media

3258
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:53,630
other show host or television through

3259
02:52:01,250 --> 02:51:56,160
through the air force of the Pentagon on

3260
02:52:01,580 --> 02:52:01,260
the UFO subject not that I was involved

3261
02:52:06,620 --> 02:52:01,590
with

3262
02:52:09,380 --> 02:52:06,630
I better not answer that what I know is

3263
02:52:13,910 --> 02:52:09,390
I better not answer it so the answer is

3264
02:52:14,750 --> 02:52:13,920
yes Oh otherwise you would say no okay

3265
02:52:18,139 --> 02:52:14,760
fair enough

3266
02:52:19,480 --> 02:52:18,149
oh are you under any security agreements

3267
02:52:28,840 --> 02:52:19,490
right now with the Air Force

3268
02:52:39,950 --> 02:52:28,850
no no I minded mine ended in 20 2008

3269
02:52:43,700 --> 02:52:39,960
yeah 2008 2008 and 2008 and well so

3270
02:52:48,740 --> 02:52:43,710
you're retired are you are you receiving

3271
02:52:51,650 --> 02:52:48,750
a retirement pay I'm receiving a young

3272
02:52:54,020 --> 02:52:51,660
you're saving it's okay my dad my dad

3273
02:52:55,910 --> 02:52:54,030
retired after 33 years he's getting paid

3274
02:52:59,150 --> 02:52:55,920
I'm so that's why I'm asking

3275
02:53:04,040 --> 02:52:59,160
yeah are you yeah are yes absolutely

3276
02:53:06,530 --> 02:53:04,050
okay are you in jeopardy of though of

3277
02:53:08,679 --> 02:53:06,540
your retirement pay by speaking about

3278
02:53:13,730 --> 02:53:08,689
this kind of stuff on this show

3279
02:53:15,770 --> 02:53:13,740
no so you're free to talk no well there

3280
02:53:18,050 --> 02:53:15,780
are things that I won't talk about I

3281
02:53:20,090 --> 02:53:18,060
mean there are things that I did that

3282
02:53:21,380 --> 02:53:20,100
are still probably classified and I'm

3283
02:53:23,000 --> 02:53:21,390
not going to talk about it would you

3284
02:53:26,120 --> 02:53:23,010
talk the things that I know that are

3285
02:53:28,940 --> 02:53:26,130
secretive or top-secret or cold word or

3286
02:53:30,469 --> 02:53:28,950
things that are very sensitive I'm not

3287
02:53:34,580 --> 02:53:30,479
going to talk about it okay we're

3288
02:53:36,410 --> 02:53:34,590
talking the press I'm not afraid to talk

3289
02:53:37,910 --> 02:53:36,420
about it would you talk to me about it

3290
02:53:45,350 --> 02:53:37,920
in person or off of the

3291
02:53:48,740 --> 02:53:45,360
here about anything and supposed to say

3292
02:53:50,990 --> 02:53:48,750
yes it would depend on the question well

3293
02:53:53,330 --> 02:53:51,000
no one would be too did we depend on the

3294
02:53:56,480 --> 02:53:53,340
dinner and I don't play around when I

3295
02:53:58,580 --> 02:53:56,490
take somebody out to dinner I bet I can

3296
02:54:01,730 --> 02:53:58,590
promise that might be maybe that - yeah

3297
02:54:04,100 --> 02:54:01,740
I like seafood there you go Richard Doty

3298
02:54:06,740 --> 02:54:04,110
thank you for the surprise call and

3299
02:54:08,179 --> 02:54:06,750
let's do this again and we'll plan it

3300
02:54:13,570 --> 02:54:08,189
out and we'll actually have some

3301
02:54:18,770 --> 02:54:13,580
structure to it okay thank you Richard

3302
02:54:20,690 --> 02:54:18,780
you too you too well there you go yes I

3303
02:54:25,580 --> 02:54:20,700
was completely caught by surprise and

3304
02:54:29,270 --> 02:54:25,590
and I think that if anybody here at fade

3305
02:54:31,250 --> 02:54:29,280
to black knew about this in advance they

3306
02:54:34,910 --> 02:54:31,260
are enjoying themselves knowing that I

3307
02:54:36,350 --> 02:54:34,920
was caught completely by surprise with

3308
02:54:39,290 --> 02:54:36,360
that I was told to look out for these

3309
02:54:42,890 --> 02:54:39,300
last four numbers and I I

3310
02:54:45,830 --> 02:54:42,900
I took the call when it when it came in

3311
02:54:51,650 --> 02:54:45,840
I did not know so there you go Richard

3312
02:54:54,350 --> 02:54:51,660
Doty I I was unprepared I hope that for

3313
02:54:56,120 --> 02:54:54,360
everybody here in the fade to black

3314
02:54:59,300 --> 02:54:56,130
audience that happened to listen to this

3315
02:55:02,210 --> 02:54:59,310
live tonight that I asked the questions

3316
02:55:03,880 --> 02:55:02,220
that needed to be asked I've always

3317
02:55:09,410 --> 02:55:03,890
wanted to have the opportunity to

3318
02:55:11,660 --> 02:55:09,420
interview him and I I hope that I did I

3319
02:55:14,090 --> 02:55:11,670
hope that I asked the questions wow I'm

3320
02:55:16,630 --> 02:55:14,100
just blown away I'm blown away just like

3321
02:55:19,340 --> 02:55:16,640
everybody else is

3322
02:55:22,820 --> 02:55:19,350
Richard's history his appearance in

3323
02:55:25,760 --> 02:55:22,830
Mirage man I was uncomfortable with he

3324
02:55:28,070 --> 02:55:25,770
was in unacknowledged and I was a little

3325
02:55:33,380 --> 02:55:28,080
bit uncomfortable with that too as well

3326
02:55:36,080 --> 02:55:33,390
and the there's two parts to his past

3327
02:55:40,790 --> 02:55:36,090
there's the urban legend part that has

3328
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:40,800
been out there where things get things

3329
02:55:44,920 --> 02:55:43,050
get spread around and then there's the

3330
02:55:50,090 --> 02:55:44,930
other part there's the official part

3331
02:55:51,140 --> 02:55:50,100
that he has always spoken on so what you

3332
02:55:53,180 --> 02:55:51,150
know it what

3333
02:55:58,520 --> 02:55:53,190
the real truth and is it somewhere down

3334
02:56:02,290 --> 02:55:58,530
the middle again Richard knows that it

3335
02:56:05,960 --> 02:56:02,300
was his job as he said tonight to be a

3336
02:56:10,580 --> 02:56:05,970
disinformation agent and that's what he

3337
02:56:14,650 --> 02:56:10,590
did for he was an agent for the OSI of

3338
02:56:18,530 --> 02:56:14,660
the air force and he worked under orders

3339
02:56:21,200 --> 02:56:18,540
okay that's that's it

3340
02:56:21,680 --> 02:56:21,210
is it an uncomfortable thing yes it is

3341
02:56:24,710 --> 02:56:21,690
for me

3342
02:56:28,880 --> 02:56:24,720
I am completely uncomfortable with it

3343
02:56:30,890 --> 02:56:28,890
completely completely and the other part

3344
02:56:34,640 --> 02:56:30,900
and this is what I stressed with him

3345
02:56:38,450 --> 02:56:34,650
tonight and I'm sure he's listening

3346
02:56:43,040 --> 02:56:38,460
right now which is this kind of stuff

3347
02:56:45,710 --> 02:56:43,050
going on inside of the United States on

3348
02:56:49,850 --> 02:56:45,720
American soil with American citizens is

3349
02:56:51,620 --> 02:56:49,860
a bit funky that's the part I'm just a

3350
02:56:54,051 --> 02:56:51,630
little bit uncomfortable with whether

3351
02:56:56,540 --> 02:56:54,061
they didn't spread disinfo okay well

3352
02:56:58,761 --> 02:56:56,550
that's that's his story and he is gonna

3353
02:57:01,370 --> 02:56:58,771
stick to it and as well he should but

3354
02:57:03,320 --> 02:57:01,380
the other part of it is we're not enemy

3355
02:57:07,341 --> 02:57:03,330
combatants whatever the Air Force wants

3356
02:57:11,270 --> 02:57:07,351
to do with this overseas with in a

3357
02:57:14,780 --> 02:57:11,280
foreign country or you know but here you

3358
02:57:18,700 --> 02:57:14,790
go off of the air force base off of the

3359
02:57:22,490 --> 02:57:18,710
air force base to a civilian gathering

3360
02:57:24,830 --> 02:57:22,500
that's that's that's a bit funky and to

3361
02:57:26,720 --> 02:57:24,840
to have assets reporting back to you

3362
02:57:29,210 --> 02:57:26,730
from inside of these organizations

3363
02:57:32,360 --> 02:57:29,220
that's a bit that's a bit funky to me

3364
02:57:34,940 --> 02:57:32,370
I'm a little bit uncomfortable with it

3365
02:57:37,011 --> 02:57:34,950
and I'm not sure what really is going on

3366
02:57:39,740 --> 02:57:37,021
and I don't know I don't know if we'll

3367
02:57:43,580 --> 02:57:39,750
ever know the truth one thing is for

3368
02:57:46,280 --> 02:57:43,590
sure me asking Richard Doty these

3369
02:57:48,740 --> 02:57:46,290
questions I can't go more direct to the

3370
02:57:51,950 --> 02:57:48,750
source than Richard Doty

3371
02:57:54,830 --> 02:57:51,960
and I will do my best and I think he

3372
02:57:55,850 --> 02:57:54,840
answered he answered everything I got to

3373
02:57:58,429 --> 02:57:55,860
give him credit for that

3374
02:58:01,579 --> 02:57:58,439
coming into here

3375
02:58:03,769 --> 02:58:01,589
he's uh he's strong Richard Doty is

3376
02:58:05,959 --> 02:58:03,779
strong all right that concludes another

3377
02:58:09,949 --> 02:58:05,969
week on fade to black

3378
02:58:12,709 --> 02:58:09,959
I I'm taking the weekend off with my

3379
02:58:16,849 --> 02:58:12,719
wife this weekend we are not working we

3380
02:58:18,519 --> 02:58:16,859
work for the last 3-4 weeks in a row so

3381
02:58:22,879 --> 02:58:18,529
there you go we're taking tomorrow off

3382
02:58:24,050 --> 02:58:22,889
thank you thank you Richard Doty and you

3383
02:58:25,999 --> 02:58:24,060
know what didn't have a chance to take

3384
02:58:28,819 --> 02:58:26,009
any phone calls tonight well and if I

3385
02:58:30,649 --> 02:58:28,829
did take a phone call thank you paid to

3386
02:58:32,449 --> 02:58:30,659
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3387
02:58:37,999 --> 02:58:32,459
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3390
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